Bodyjar
Jul 11 2003, 09:05 PM
Ok, this may be a sensitive subject for some, and please keep this all clean.
But I just read an article in some womens magazine, New Idea I think, about a 17yr old girl that committed suicide, and the parents are blaming the music she listened to.
This frustrated me so much to hear that the people who should be at blame, are passing off the responsibilty to people they have never met. Just because the girl wanted two songs related to suicide being played at her funeral doesnt mean they were the cause of the problem!
The nerve of these parents frustrates me to no end, and I just had to do something about this. It isn't the song that turns them to suicide, its the problems in their lives that push them overboard, and the songs they listen to give them what little comfort they have in their life, back to them. The songs AREN'T the cause! When will they learn? None of them promote suicide, or glorify it, (well none that I know of) yet the parents and "experts" always put them to blame. This sickens me...
Macca
Jul 11 2003, 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by Bodyjar:
It isn't the song that turns them to suicide, its the problems in their lives that push them overboard, and the songs they listen to give them what little comfort they have in their life, back to them
I agree 110%, what else do you do when you in the dumps, put ya faviourate music on no mater what it is.
MrMonaro
Jul 11 2003, 09:10 PM
It's just another flick pass of the blame. Nothing new.
Just turn up the slipkont and .... Commit suicide j/k
I listen to metallica - the new album has a song that goes "Kill kill..." fer like 30 seconds. But i think you get the picture.
Eminem has a good song about this, cant think of the name ...
SomeFReaK
Jul 11 2003, 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by Bodyjar:
17yr old girl that committed suicide, and the parents are blaming the music she listened to.
Not terrably surprising. The parents are trying to lay the blame of themselves imho.
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Just because the girl wanted two songs related to suicide being played at her funeral doesnt mean they were the cause of the problem!
The nerve of these parents frustrates me to no end, and I just had to do something about this. It isn't the song that turns them to suicide, its the problems in their lives that push them overboard, and the songs they listen to give them what little comfort they have in their life, back to them. The songs AREN'T the cause! When will they learn? None of them promote suicide, or glorify it, (well none that I know of) yet the parents and "experts" always put them to blame. This sickens me...
I really agree with you here. To me music means emotion. The parents need to understand that their child wasn't wanting to do what the song has told them, the song has summed up how their child was feeling, thinking and going through. Its sad that their child has had to make such a drastic move and ended their life, but rather than pushing the blame, i sencerely hope the parents hear the wake up call.
Bodyjar
Jul 11 2003, 09:14 PM
I listen to punk rock, and their are a few songs that come to mind, but still it isnt the point...
This kind of music, dare I say it has made me want to live my life to the fullest more than anything I know. And hearing some ignorant parents blame that music for their childs death kills me inside!
the[K]id
Jul 11 2003, 09:17 PM
People will blame anything.
Guy hits his head on the bottom of the beach, sues the council for not putting signs warning there are sand bars at beaches.
Some lady tried to sue a pool for having a slippery surface. Funny how water does that...
M. Manson is responsible for all gun maniacs. Silver chair and nirvana are responsible for all suicides (except the ones caused by country music).
I wonder what caused violence before we had all these horrible influnces on our precious society? Did Hitler get an advanced copy of Mechanical Animals? Was Stalin a closet Eminem fan? Funny how they have exactly the same music all over the world, and yet crime rates all differ.
If it's not music, what is it? Must be video games, yeah, that's it...
Poida
Jul 11 2003, 09:40 PM
heh, well put Kiddo...if it isnt the music, its video games. If it isnt video games, its movies. If it isnt movies, is the group that the kid hung out with...
When will parents realise that it is THEY who are responsible for their child and how the child is brought up. If the parents cared for their child at all they would have seen what was happening IMO
All society ever wants to do is shift the blame to what we watch, what we listen to or what our hobbies are. Afraid to say, that the biggest influence in a child's life are the people they grow up with.
CaRBoNeTTe
Jul 13 2003, 02:01 AM
Rich I agree with you!
Bodyjar
Jul 13 2003, 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by CaRBoNeTTe:
Rich I agree with you!
Of course you do
[ July 13, 2003, 16:24: Message edited by: Bodyjar ]
Rattlehead
Jul 13 2003, 03:26 PM
Ppl always blame others.
As for music being the blame...I mean, come on!
If that were the case, I'd be slaughtering animals and butcher humans and eat them alive.
Interceptor
Jul 13 2003, 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by Macca:
quote:
Originally posted by Bodyjar:
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It isn't the song that turns them to suicide, its the problems in their lives that push them overboard, and the songs they listen to give them what little comfort they have in their life, back to them
Damn straight.
When all else fails, fu(k it all, crank it up, and do your level best to give your neighbours permanent hearing damage…..
It’s always worked for me
(face it, most of us in car audio are impervious to stupidly high dB anyway)
Shmi
Jul 13 2003, 04:15 PM
seriously i have had some low times and even considerd suicide (but i dont think i could eva do it to my family) and the main thing that made me relax was music. but yes i admit i know evey word to "suicidal dream" by silverchair but if anything that song helped me generally songs about suicide let u know that other ppl have been there too which can give u some sort of comfort. the parents just are too proud to admit that they were the problem.
WRXCORE
Jul 13 2003, 05:30 PM
Why blame the parents, maybe she was f%cked up in the head, just have to look at how many bad drivers there is out there to know that hahaha and australia does have a very bad suicide rate(well amoungst the anglosaxon pop).
Someone pointed out that music gives you emotions so you would be hypocrtical to say that music had no effect wats so ever. I agree that music isnt the key to this girls death, but as you smoke cause of peer pressue(ie mates telling u to do it) music would in someway give that same emotions.
Next time your in the car listening to your music, try listening to fast music(do a google for terrorcore or speedcore) and slow music(top40 etc) and see how your driving style changes. Everytime I listen to my speedcore(500bpm+) all i want to do is drive like a madman haha, but if im listening to the radio i just potter along haha.
No dont blame music directly, but indirectly she would of been effected. If music doesnt effect you at all, why do u have a certian fav style? or y listen to it?
Bodyjar
Jul 13 2003, 06:27 PM
We didn't say music doesnt effect us, of course it does! But it surely doesnt drive us to suicide!
the[K]id
Jul 13 2003, 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by Bodyjar:
We didn't say music doesnt effect us, of course it does! But it surely doesnt drive us to suicide!
Agreed! Music can make you think, it can make you feel better, it can hype you up, it can make you want to drive that touch faster, but I doubt it can make you do something like kill yourself (or someone else) if your not already seriously considering it.
DrEvil
Jul 13 2003, 07:26 PM
If anything music can calm me down at times... Especially when it is really loud
Interceptor
Jul 14 2003, 01:46 AM
That's why we sing for these kids, who don't have a thing
Except for a dream, and a fu(kin' rap magazine
Who post pin-up pictures on their walls all day long
Idolize they favorite rappers and know all their songs
Or for anyone who's ever been through $hit in their lives
Till they sit and they cry at night wishin' they'd die
Till they throw on a rap record and they sit, and they vibe
We're nothin' to you but we're the f**kin' $hit in they eyes
Eminem – Sing for the moment
Nuff said
Bradg
Jul 14 2003, 11:25 AM
much to Eminem
Nah I fully agree with you dude, after a suicide people are quick to point the finger, especially at the persons CD collection or DVD collection, but the truth of the matter is that some people may be triggered off by music, but if they could be triggered off by music they could pretty much be triggered by anything in their life...
Music/TV/movies/video games are just a scapegoat for parents/families of suicide victims as it is easier to say "it was coz he listened to eminem and Marilyn manson" than it is to admit that they didnt see the warning signs....
It sucks that ppl blame music for their problems, sh1t its only a song for god's sake, its not like eminem jumped out of the CD player and handed your kid a gun......
BlackIce
Jul 14 2003, 01:04 PM
Music might be the catalyst for starting them off, but with people like that just about anything would set them off 'cos they're hot and ready to pop.. The Music said to, its the aniversiary of their dog dying, they're Mum said no more ice cream, someone hits their car in a car park... it doesnt matter what it is, they're unstable in the first place.
But sometimes the music reflects my feelings.. Anthrax - Cuppajoe comes to mind right about now
[ July 14, 2003, 11:05: Message edited by: BlackIce ]
Mr Neil
Jul 14 2003, 01:37 PM
er... i just listen to music
Bodyjar
Jul 14 2003, 04:52 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Neil:
[b]er... i just listen to music Who needs a bassline?!?!
Slappin Rex
Jul 14 2003, 07:39 PM
I must say that when i kick back and crank up some beats I do feel the urge to dance. Maybe she felt a different urge. Not agreeing with the parents at all and I don't blame music for the girl committing suicide but music can alter your emotions and not always for the better.
Rex.
Weezer
Jul 20 2003, 10:22 PM
heh, well put Kiddo...if it isnt the music, its video games. If it isnt video games, its movies. If it isnt movies, is the group that the kid hung out with...
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i think the group she hung out with would have more of an effect on her than the other things oyu mentioned.....
i think blaming music is a load of crap. in the US the parents of a girl who was raped and killed by 3 guys tried to sue Slayer cos their songs "caused the death of their daughter"
for songs about suicide listen to Sonata Arctica's cover of Fade to Black my metallica...it rules but it doesnt want to make me set about thinking up ways to end myself.
a lot of music i listen to could be described as dark or depressing or whatever yet im almost always smiling....oh well
[ July 20, 2003, 20:23: Message edited by: Weezer ]
Gemme_Fatale
Jul 20 2003, 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by Bradg:
but the truth of the matter is that some people may be triggered off by music, but if they could be triggered off by music they could pretty much be triggered by anything in their life...
Well said. No one wants to blame themselves. It would be a very difficult thing for the parents to go through, when their child takes his own life. Perhaps they try and find a reason why it happened, and this might help them to deal with their grief. I don't think you can blame a single thing for a person committing suicide. But don't put all the blame on the parents.
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