Hey guys,

Well just after some opinions, I had been pretty set on a set of Dynaudio sys 340, as it is my choice out of Alpine Type X, Boston Z6/Pro 60, and Focal's about the selection I'm able to hear in stores up here in QLD. The gear will be going into a 05 model Barina Opel one(well depends if they write it off or repair long story) with the midbass going into the standard door spots so I'm limited to a 6.5-7" mid, and the midrange and tweet were going to be housed in a custom pod on the dash. The rest of my system comprises of a Eclipse 8453 HU same crossovers, TA etc as the 8455, amps are AudioSystem F2>500 1200rms @2ohm for the sub and F4>600 4 x 145rms for the front stage which i was planing on running semi active. So now my question is what else is really out there that I can expect to like, considering I loved how the Dyn's sound, I also liked the boston and alpine but not the Focal 's. So lets hear it guys what else do u recommend in 3ways for about $1400 with preferably a smallish midrange and tweet. I'm just after ides guys I'm very happy with going Dyns just want to know what else there is I should consider. Oh just remembered I'm currently running a 12" type r sub but will either upgrade to a IDMAX 12" or IDQ 15".

dont forget about morels and rainbows. u can mix n match and run full active. u able to do that with ur gear u have now or not?

Custom pod on the dash? Check out the kickpanels that were in my Barina for a 4" midrange with a 45mm mounting depth

http://www.speakerwerks.com/photos/

Pity you weren't around here before, I sold them to a bloke in the UK two months back.

Not sure what kind of result you will get with them being on the dash - the Barina is not a wide car and the dash has two large obstructions in the instrument cluster and MFD. The dash is also not very deep, so you will have more difficulties tuning than in the kicks.

From my experience anyway...


EDIT: I'm selling the complete boot installation, less equipment. If you are interested let me know, built by FHRX and going rather cheap.

I can run full active 2 way or semi active 3 way.

Thanks for the link Pete yeah i was originally only going to go 2 way due to the difficulties in install etc but I just love the xtra midrange information the 3 way dyns provide. I had considered custom kicks but im a size 12 and am normally wearing steel cap boots so it gets a bit tight down in the footwell as it is, and the cost of custom doors puts them out plus when i want to convert it back for resale its almost $400 per new door trim. So thats why I'm thinking dash pods is the easiest comprimise. Nice boot intstall, but im looking to build my box into the spare wheel well with the amps on either side and a false floor perspex windows etc... But it is nice to see some1 else has down a full install on one in australia, it seems to be getting harder and harder to try and fit stuff in not to mention the amps which are quite long.

hmmm,
if yer looking for compete sets with xovers etc2....i suggest tha tu add SEAS into your list to auditon as well. Very similiar pricing but imo...more superior.

luke, antenna cable is in.

i would consider the Morel Elate 3 ways..
the crossovers on these can be bi-amped which would suit your needs perfectly...

i had the Dyn 240GT's before my elate 3 ways and i find the midbass to be better, and more suited to my style of music (dance, etc)..
pity you couldnt get a demo up there, as i would be choosing between the Dyn and morel to be honest as they are very very similar in quality.. the baskets for the elate midbass are similar to the 160mk2's..

Hmm I might have to look into the Morel's some more, but new car may not be another Barina will have to see, got the repair quote back $13690 so far with more to come, a damn good effort if I do say so myself. Yeah I wasn't overly impressed with the Sys 240 prefered the Alpine type X and Boston Pro 60. So in comparison the Dyn 3 ways sounded much more lively and rich, and smooth at the same time.

I used to have Dyn and my opinion is they sound great if you feed them with plenty of power
I used to run them passive with only 75w for each side and then upgraded to better amp with 150w for each side..and they love it!! My recommendation if you go passive, go at least 200-250w on each side, for active..at least 150w on each driver...

I love the Boston Pros, but honestly the Dyns eat them alive.

Go active if you can, 2x70Wrms for the highs and at least 2x200W for the mids. You'll never regret it.

Phil

Hmm Ok well I planned on going semi active so tweet and mid through the crossover with 145 rms per side and midbass straight off the amp with 145 rms per side again. What do you reckon or maybe down the track I could get another 2 channel for the front and go full active as I am plannning on competeing in CAASQ.

Any news about the car? Replace it with an SRi

Nope not yet I'm faxing off the claim form tomorrow so see what happens but should be a write off. Funny you should mention an SRI I've been looking at one they have traded at my mates work. Not sure if I will have enough to stretch to an SRI though but we will see, otherwise I've also been looking at Fiesta's.

I';m selling a set of Dyn sys 360 if your interested.

run them semi active first if you have the power already...
see how that goes.. but the Dyn's and Elates love power..
my old 240GT's were running off an LrX2.500 (2x200wrms) and were nice.. my elates are run active off 2x Xenon 100.4's with approx 500wrms a side total..

it might be an option to go active later but is a lot more tricky and expensive as you have to get a good 6ch crossover (like alpine processors, etc)

Ok so it's looking closer to the car being a write off so the plan so far is to get one of few remaining new opel built Barina's in the country. But I've just been looking at the speakerbits webpage and am beginning to wonder if maybe I would be better going a custom 2 way set running full active, keeping in mind this would be setup using the HU EQ (same as 8455) and amp crossovers no external EQ yet, maybe further down the track. But seeing how I really dont know a whole lot about selecting components I'm chasing some help as to what kind of speaker set I could make up for about $1500 and will I get better results then using a set of 3 way Dyns or Morels or other similar set.

for 3 ways you realy need head unit or procesor with 4 pair pre out, using your head unit for 3 ways won't sound good, i had a friend using eclipse 8454, 3 ways ( tweeter and mid range,running pasive , using front output, and mid running active using rear output), sound ok , but nothing near my 2 ways

Well Brucee you have made me wonder more if I am better off making up a custom set of 2 ways as such. My main reson for going 3 way was the fact that all the 2 ways I heard sounded lacking compared to the 3 way Dyns.

2 ways will always sound lacking compared to 3 ways..

you'll need a deck with 4 pre-outs to run active fronts and sub.. but most have 3 outputs so you can only go semi-active 3 way fronts and sub.. and unless the deck has an internal amp, you cant run rears either..
try to get an 'expandable' set of 2 ways and see how you go.. all high end 2 way setups are generally expandable with the addition of the midrange..
and i feel that a fully active 2 way will sound better than a semi-active 3 way..

if u planning to buy procesor (alpine h701), then go 3ways will be good, it will always sound better than 2ways, but if you only using that eclipse HU to tune 3 ways, then 2 ways will sound better, simply because with 2 ways, u can tune each speaker individualy (TA, EQ, Crossover)

Ok so Ive been doing some thinking and am now thinking of creating a 2 way set run full active and expanding later as Damo95 suggested. So Ive been searching the forums and am thinking Morel Supremo mounted in my A pillar. As for the mid I'm not sure I would like something that has the ability to play quite low, lower then the Dyns anyway. Any suggestions guys? As for amps I currently have the one Audio System F2>500 for my sub but instead of using a F4>600 for my front stage, maybe use two more F2>500's (2x 230rms @4ohm) so I can get a bit more power to the Supremo's as they appear to have quite a large power rating 220rms. So how does that sound, and any mid suggestions guys.

Thanks Guys

Luke

luke... the supremo doesnt need all 220w to get loud!
i have mine runnin off 2 channels of 1 of my X100.4's and only getting about 90wrms.. and its loud and clear..

your spoilt for choice on mids id say.. if you want lots of midbass, look at the DD W6.5's.. or even the Elate 6" (or 9" if you can fit them) midbass's.. my elate 6's play are highpassed ~70hz..

instead of getting 2 more F2>500's, why not get 1 and a smaller 2 channel (with ~120wrms@4ohm) for the supremos.. but if you wanna go 3 ways later, you would have to go semi active.. or you could go for the 4 channel as you have listed and run active.. that would be enough altho the midbass would sound good with ~200wrms..

I'd say check out Morel, Rainbow and Diamond.

Morel's elates are slightly cheaper then dyns, and have a very, very similar style of sound. Think dynaudio with a touch more impact. I heard the two back to back, and they are very close. Not surprising that they are apparently built in the same factory.

Note: The morels I heard had the optional Supremo tweter upgrade, so they had a more detailed top end. Havent heard them with the standard tweeters.

Rainbow I have two pairs of, and they are also very nice speakers. Soft, silky smooth and nicely detailed. If you like dyn, then I think youll love rainbow.

Finally, a friend of mine has Diamond S600 HEX splits in his car, and they are also very, very nice speakers... different style of sound due to the aluminium domes, but they are also avaliaible with silk domes.

All three I think would be great options if you like the sound of dynaudio.

Especially consider the Morel Elate + Supremo combo - the Supremo is generally considered one of the best car audio tweeters in the world.

They eat most things. Cant put in words how much respect I give Dynaudio drivers.

Thanks for all the help Guys!!!!!!!!!

Hmm well I'm getting a new Fiesta now my mate has tried his hardest but they just cant get a New XC Barina and I dont want no Daewoo half breed, so audio is up in the air AGAIN till I can have a good look around and see what I can squeeze into the Fiesta should have it by mid next week.