http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?ed...rticle_id=21835

Is this exactly what the problem is with (some) Mulsims? Why is it that as soon as they feel threatened in any way, they resort to flag burning, and banning people from their country. Andres Serrano created 'Piss Christ' (for those who dont know, a crucifix in urine) but the Vatican didn't ban all americans from visiting because of it. I dont know many muslims in truth - there are some Arabic people here at work, and they seem pretty level headed to me - COMPLETELY different from the people who appear on TV/newspapers, acting like idiots. So whats with these freaks going off half cocked all the time? I'm thinking their war with the Jews would have ended pretty quickly if both sides (not pointing fingers JUST at the muslims) had actually taken the time to be a bit more tolerant of the others beliefs, instead of solving problems with violence.

Before anyone shoots me down in flames about those aussie tools in cronulla - they are just as bad, if not worse than muslim fanatics - but I'm talking about a long history of violence here...

I dont want this to turn into a nasty thread about who-did-what-to-who - thats just the online version of the same crap. I'm genuinely interested if someone could shed some light on why this seems to be a recurring theme in the middle east

well i personly think religon is the root of all evil.
nearly every war in human history is because of religon!!

anyway as i said thats my opinion and dont expect anyone else to share my views.

and as Kickercat said please try not to turn this into a crapfight

vertually all us other people are infidels and more or less that people that are worthless

now with that in mind think thats why half of the trouble starts exatly what yas said above religion is how most of the trouble starts it stems back to religious beliefs

not to mention all the political correctness in the world today to.

I agree 300%!!

Yeah, I agree that religion seems to be worst thing ever invented by humans

I have only seen what was on the news last night which was a mob burning flags and torching the Danish consulate/embassy in whatever country it was. What gives those people the right to break laws because someone printed picture of someone they worship? I know any picture of him is sacred or something, but religion and beliefs do not come before the laws. Anyone breaking the law like that should be put straight into jail to teach them to respect the law.

Also, they ask us not to stereotype all muslims as terrorists, yet they just banned ALL Danes from their country because of what a newspaper printed... Hypocrites or what?

most of the basic law's we use are based on the 10 commandments eg: "You shall not murder" "You shall not steal" "You shall not commit adultery" etc etc

but then there is different variations on that depending on what religon you follow.

Yes, but then even if religion never took off... We'd still have those laws. Not murdering, not stealing... All commonsense.

Though I agree that religion causes most wars, but then flag burning... pffft... I don't care about that. The flag means nothing to me.

Religion is just a scare tactic to make people behave themselves, otherwise they won't get into the 'afterlife' or whatever the stupid thing they believe is.

Consider this:
A guy touches your missus at the pub, and you had words with him, ending up in a fight.
The media recorded the 2nd half of the fight showing you throwing punches, and branded you as a violent drunk.

Do you think it's fair for everyone to assume you're always drunk and/or violent?
Do you think it's fair for them to assume that the violence was not warranted?
Do you think that it's fair for everyone to assume that the violence was because you are christian (for example) or australian?

All i can say is that media are to blame for war, often in conjunction with religion.

This is because the media tend to mis-represent the issue (think of hoons and car audio reports), They also intentionally target a particular audience and try to invoke emotion. They leave out important parts (like that the violence was provoked) so that perhaps elderly people will be outraged that young people are getting drunk and fighting. This is good for ratings/circulation.

I make a point of not taking anything that's said in the media seriously, they over sensationalise everything to the point where their reported event, is nothing like what really happened.

If you wish to avoid a sh1tf1ght, comments like this aren't really going to help:
"So whats with these freaks going off half cocked all the time?"

you "don't know many arabs" so how can you consider them to be "freaks" and how do you know they are always "half cocked"?

I agree that it's wrong to ban all Dane's from entering the country, but really, it's not that much different to your comment where you are branding an entire nationality/religion as being "half cocked freaks"

i personally don't get the issue with burning a flag, it's just a piece of cloth that represents the goverment that rules us, it's no different to carrying a flag with your postcode, or street name on it.

I have to agree with that, been reading a few articles where people want fines and jail terms for people that burn the flag. Really i feel sorry for the people that burnt the flags because unless the flags were stolen the national flag isnt cheap to buy even as a touristy thing (cant think of the word). Waste of a few bucks burning that thing if you ask me.

Looking back on history muslims of the day had a reason to dislike other religions, mainly christians, as they got invaded and killed often enough by catholics that even id be pissed off about it. But damn that was a long time ago, people need to learn to let things go. Jews, muslims and christians all of them need to move on.

I apologise if my spelling is shyt, brain tends to shut down at this time of day at work

What about someone like me. I'm Christian. I have a belief not a religion and I think thats where the problem comes in. As most of you who know me would notice there is not thing at all that I do different to show that I have a belief. And I have a few muslim freinds who are the same you would never know they are muslim, catholic freinds the same etc etc. the difference is these people are not "religious" they have a belief. As soon as people get a religious attitude is where belief no longer has any bearing as much as set rules.
You think about it we all live in a society with speed limits you watch someone belt up the freeway @ 200kph you get pissed off and angry and mutter " I hope that basted gets nabbed " or words to that effect. How ever if we all lived with no speed rules (which is how religious people veiw those of us who arent religious or who follow a different religion) then we would all be like meh who cares. I guess thats how I see it any way and I can sort of understand them getting all pissed off and every thing I think making it violent or what ever isnt the right way to go about it - but if thats the society you were raised in then thats how you see is the best way to react. Im sure "religious" people who grew up in toorak would be more likely to write a letter of dissatisfaction to those who had offended them, where as someone from the pines is more likely to go over to who ever pissed them off and start punching on...

The mob also burnt out a building, not JUST a flag.

Mr Bob. Sorry if you took offense to anything there - but like I said, I wasnt trying to start a fight about it. I think the above quotes show that I was talking about fanatics, NOT the whole country.

And yeah, people doing stuff like burning flags etc, I DO consider crazy/freaks - no matter what your race/religion. Its not the act itself that gets me, as people have said, its a piece of cloth. Its the reasoning behind it I dont get.

I'm sure the media has a lot to do with it as well though...

I have to completely disagree with a large portion of what was said in this thread.

Religion hasnt ever, and wont ever cause wars/disturbances like this.
Fanatics do.


Look at the fundamental beliefs of *ANY* religion. I guarantee you 110% there will be nowhere in the bible/koran/any other religious documents, that say 'thou shalt burn embassies if offensive cartoons are drawn', or anything to that effect.

Its unfortunate, because it always seems to be a small majority. It happens in everything. Most people in the car audio community are responsible. They take care ensuring they dont become nuicances by having music up to loud, help out fledgling members of the community, so on an so forth. There will always however be a few 'hoons' and 'undesirable characters' who affiliate themselves with the community, even though the community doesnt share all the beliefs nor condone the behaviour of the antisocial members of the community.

Similarly, fanatics within any religion, arent following the guidelines its own religion sets out.

Christianity for example. Do not murder. Have extremist christians killed before? Yes. Is this acceptable under the most fundamental (10 commandments) rules of the religion? No.

Being brought up as a Christian means Im obviously far more knowledgable about Christianity than the rules one should abide by under the Muslim faith, but Im sure they do not entail what has been seen recently by fanatics as being acceptable behaviour within their faith.


I think the biggest problem is a lack of understanding.

Because someone says they are a part of a group or religion, and justifies their actions by this affiliation, does not in fact automatically mean that they are.


Luke

If their religion did not exist, they wouldn't be burning flags and buildings over a picture.

I reckon you've hit the nail on the head Luke - its not the religion (or race) as much as the fanatics who do stuff in the NAME of whatever religion (or racial group) that cause the issues

EXACTLY!

wars werent started over religions or beliefs???? i think so people need to go back to school

one example hittler hated anyone thats wasnt blonde blueyed and white thnx
there are many more where religion has caused wars think need to learn more bout history and war those, who stated religion doesnt attribute to wars, as it most certainly does in alot of civil wars

but anyway i couldnt give a hoot i go on living each day as it comes if aus was in a war i wouldnt go fight for my country as its a crap hole now days and im a 7th generation aussie and (Not from CONVICTS either) and can say that bout my country its a crap hole

I want to know where the anger and hostility come from? I won't comment on the religious side of things as I don't undertand any if it.

I'll give an example of what I mean.
When I was about 15 I went to the under 21 world Baskeball championships in Melbourne. The first game I saw was Croatia vs Egypt.
The crowd was very hostile, and as Croatia started to lose the crowd got more violent. Burning coins, thrown, bottles, even a flare. The Croatians lost and more rubbish was thrown on the court (At this stage I had never seen these action). A lot of the Tennis Centres Windows were smashed and there were a few fights. Now who would bring a flare to a game unless they knew they were going to use it. It's like the reason they went was to fight.
The next game was Australia vs China. Great game, no crowd hastles (Even though the police presence was quadruppled).

So that was my first hand experience.

You also see this in other sporting events. There are never riots in Australian sporting events, yet there seem to a lot more in other countries, even between the same country just because they barrack for an opposing team.

I just don't understand why there is so much hostility and anger. Are they yelled at a lot as children. Do they teach it in school, from parents?

We can be morons in Australia too. The Crunulla rights were alcohol fueled though, not becuase we have any particular beef with a community. Well that's the way I see it.


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And like stone said if the religion didn't exist they wouldn't be doing it, so the religion does play a role.

Not meaning to offend, but I don't think we should bend over backwards to respect every religion, if we did we'd have a horrible life. I live life by my beliefs, if your belief is I shouldn't get drunk I don't care. I will.

(first of all, I'm not religious in any way shape of form)

Both the Bible and the Koran contain the following thoughts:
a) revenge
b] punishment
c) forgiveness
d) rewards
e) live honestly

After the gradual process of reform in Christianity and Catholicism, etc, it became:
a) live honestly
b] forgiveness
c) rewards (given in heaven)
d) punishment (by god in the afterlife, hence why excommunication by the Pope is so awful)
e) revenge (discouraged)

Islamic religions have not had their reform yet. Hence they subscribe to:
a) live honestly
b] forgiveness (to a lesser extent)
c) revenge (to be administered in god's name)
d) punishment (to be administered in god's name)
e) rewards (in heaven)

The major difference between these two religious "streams" is that one side puts it's faith in God to punish the wrong-doer's in the afterlife, whilst the other side decides to do God's work themselves.

There are bits of the Bible that equally say that people should be stoned, etc, just like the Koran does. The difference is simply which bits you choose to look at.

Once the fanatical Muslims start to put their faith in God to administer justice rather than the fanatics themselves, the problems we speak of will be resolved.

I'm patient

Its more than just religion and race, oppression and hardship.. There are alot of factors Some economic, some fanatical but I firmly believe alot of the way people act and deal with situations is passed down through out history. Take our good friends, the Americans for an example.

Amendment II of the US Constitution:
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

So what do they do? Have a massive army, and more guns per head of population than anywhere else on the planet.

I, as an australian who has a family full of christian ministers couldnt care if someone created a cartoon about Jesus, Nor would i care if they created a cartoon about Buddha, Satan, Mohhamid, Vishnu.. Or any other 'God' or religious figure.

But some people do get a little protective of their religion and at times do very stupid things.. I think they need a reality check though..





The above is a diagram on the population of the world broken down into groups (2005). Now, if you care to notice.. there are more christians and athiests around than there are muslims .. so as a minority, i think they should piss off.


(I realise the ending isnt a tidy as it could be, but i'm tired .. and I still think they should piss off!)

ppl who blame religion for violence arent thinking through the issue at all. its simply a knee jerk reaction. its like when some dies in a car crash and speeding was a factor. everyone cries out about speeding and we have more speed cameras on the road etc etc. but hang on. why was the person speeding in the first place?? shouldnt we address the root of the problem not put a band aid fix over it??

besides, religion only exists because of beliefs. ever wonder why the bible/koran/religion has a reason for everything? do we know why ppl came up and said god exists? why do ppl believe in destiny?? the reason is that ppl need REASONS to live. much the same as why that person was speeding. we as humans need a reason to be alive. we need a reason as to why one person was shot and the guy next to him wasnt.

if u read the Dalai Lamas book, the most interesting thing he ever said was "i dont know......" he didnt have to have a reason to do something, he did because he could. no reason @ all.

so why do ppl believe in religion? because they need reasons/answers to questions that they cannot answer with a scientfic reason.

thats why religion exists. so is it fair to blame religion for ppls violence? or should we be blaming the ppl themselves. remember we r the ones who need a reason for something. those flag burners may not have burnt the flag if the picture wasnt printed, but who is to say they wouldnt have been burning the american flag for some other reason??

They wouldn't have been burning a Danish flag over a picture if they didn't follow their religion. Who cares if they might be burning an American flag, that's not the issue. The issue is what they did in this case... Obviously, it is the individual who causes the violence, but their upbringing and religion has given them the reason to be violent.

Im not religious, but i still have beliefs...beliefs about morality and humanity etc etc..basic things like killing is bad, so is stealing, and hurting people blah blah blah, we all know what they are, and we all follow them. I dont need a reason to live, I dont have to say that im here because God put me on this earth, I am here beacuse of a miracle that happened by pure chance, and im going to live my life.

I think God is a scare tactic...."you do this or you will be sent to hell" now what kind of "God" would be so unforgiving???I am part of a religious family, so I am aware of the forgiveness of since and all that other b/s but it still strikes me as odd when this almighty loving God will not hesitate to punish people.

I also find it interesting how people who are not religious still write God with a capital "G"..right now i can only see myself and stazed, but im sure most of you do it.......

this isnt really that full, but its hot, im tired, and couldnt be F()CK3d thinking of anything more...

IM.10.WR, if you re-read what I wrote, you'll see that I decaptitalised god at the start and only used a capital G towards the end. This was a matter of appropriateness with the phrases I was using at the time. In the first three sections I was using god generically and thus no capitalisation was necessary... when one speak's of a particular religious idea (e.g. doing God's work) capitalisation would be appropriate.

This is because I am specifiying a particular God as such... you cannot do a "generic god's" work, there needs to be a target which you are discussing.

Ahh interesting point Stazed

Again, this comes down to what I personally believe, in relation to my opinion of this topic of people 'misusing' beliefs.
As I see it, the Bible is an interesting book... Personally I do not take all of it as being fact, or neccisarily meaning what it states literally, nor do I accept it in its *entirety*.

People may justify an 'eye for an eye', so on and so forth, may justify 'smiting their enemies, or those who oppose God', etc etc.

However, what I see as fundamental, is one small thing.
These people are not following the parts of the Bible that contain what Jesus actually said.


I think there are a huge number of Christians who misinterpret the Bible. If people simplify things, and when in doubt follow the guidance in terms of what Jesus actually said, then their wouldn't be much in the way of these 'grey areas' and misinterpretations.


Of course this is simply how I percieve things, and isnt necessarily true, but as Ive said, if my viewpoint was shared amongst certain people, they wouldnt be doing a number of the things they do 'in the name of God'.


Luke

personlly, flag burning should be considered an act of treason...... complete with mandatory death penalty...... and i'll cheerfully burn anyone alive if they want to burn the flag

hahaha
That's a bit extreme man ...

Along with anyone who is in a mob and intentionally causes damage to other people's property.

So minorities have less rights than everyone else?




Capitalise when talking about a noun, I don't believe god isn't real so I don't capitalise it.



Lol, I find it kind of funny people care so much about a piece of cloth. Someone can piss on it for all I care. People who care so much about the flag give off the impression that they are incredibly materialistic.

Midol... They are not burning the flag because they want to get rid of the material, they are burning it to show disrespect to the country. That is what people are annoyed about. Just like xplod_au saying Australia is a "crap hole", he should leave if he doesn't like it, I don't want people like that in my country.

Also, I don't believe in God, but it is a name(although fictional), therefore it is capitalised. Very creative name too, just like Wal's dog in Footrot Flats.

There are worse ways to disrespect a flag... look at how the thugs at Cronulla wrapped themselves in it.

In other countries, people have commited war crimes under a flag.

We are disrespecting our flag every day with our occupation in Iraq. To me burning it isn't even coming close to the disrespect our citizens and government show to the flag everyday.

Basically, what you guys are saying is disrespecting your country should be a crime punishable by capital punishment? Goooooooodbyyyyyyye semi-democracy and heeeeeeeeeeeelllllloooooo Dictatorship.

Islam is a sick religion (if not the sickest) ffs Mohamed raped a 9 yr old girl, thats in the koran, how anyone can follow it is beyond myself.

Which religion do you follow?

Capital punishment = Dictatorship?
Punishment of treason = Dictatorship?

I'd personally be interested to hear your ideas about the kind of world that we currently live in if you are going to go around using the term "semi-democracy". What does that even mean? Surely won't find it in a political or sociological text book anywhere this side of an open internet forum.

None

Midol... What religion do you follow?

Stone: None.

>WAYCON<: What you are saying is burning a material object is treason, how so? It is legal to burn the flag in every way, shape or form (Unless you endanger someone elses life or something doing it). What constitutes treason in your mind? If disrespecting a country is treason then myself saying 'Australia is a crap hole' was just treason. When we remove a persons right to express themselves (Be it by burning a flag or shouting out the country is a crap hole) we are limiting the rights to the point where I would consider it a dictatorship.

I'll now point you to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy. If you can read that or any textbook true definition of Democracy and claim we live in a complete democracy then meh, nothing I say will mean anything.

Marlin: In the holy books of many religions absurd actions were taken. How can you say Islam is any worse than other major religions such as Christianity? One man raped a 9yr old girl, so the whole religion is evil. Lovely.

Of course you moronic git when it is the case when that religon happens to WORSHIP the man who did this as opposed to merely contain references to such acts. Can you honestly see nothing wrong with this? or that in Iran this is acceptable today?

Lol. Lovely, now you are truely showing your real attitude.

Do you think if rape was now acceptable their would be so much outcry over the treatment of the supposed POWs in the middle east?

Also, how about the campaign by the christians a while ago, the kill a queer campaign.

'Far be it from us to desert the law and the ordinances. We will not obey the king's words by turning aside from our religion to the right hand or to the left." When he had finished speaking these words, a Jew came forward in the sight of all to offer sacrifice on the altar in Modein, according to the king's command. When Mattathias saw it, he burned with zeal and his heart was stirred. He gave vent to righteous anger; he ran and killed him on the altar. (1 Maccabees 2:21-24 NRS)'

'Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)'

'If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB)'

'When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)'

All taken from www.evilbible.com... These are the words of 'god'.

How can you now claim that Christianity is not as bad as muslims are? Ohh, wait, you could still continue to make that claim if you were ignorant.

Now, just so I dont get into trouble I have no problem with most religions and I simply don't care. I don't think either of the two religions is evil.

No actually, youre wrong. Under the Christian faith, all the things Jesus said would constitute the 'word of God'. None of your quotes came from Jesus. As such, they are the 'word of people who have claimed to be spoken to by God'.

Again this comes back to my earlier point. Some parts of the bible may be easily misinterpreted, and I dont necessarily agree with all of it.

Its the parts that Jesus actually said that are what Christians *should* be living by. Simple.


Luke

Argh Midol...

Well thank you first of all for proving that what you don't know could fill the seven seas.

I think that if you re-read my post I wasn't suggesting that flag burning, name calling, profanity muttering etc constitutes any form of treason. Others on these boards may hold these views and that is their business but I would thank you for not painting in such broard strokes.
What I did say was that I thought that your straightline polemic of "death penalty = dictatorship" or "treason = dictatoship" or "banning flag burning = dictatoship" is narrow-sighted at best and at worst demonstrates a total lack of understanding about any of the above mentioned concepts.

This lack of informed thought was further highlighted by your quotation and positive illusion of possibly the most useless public "resource/referece" in the world - Wikipedia. And not only does the fact that it is Wikipedia and not a proper text book/philosophy weaken your arguement soundly, but the fact that even Wikipedia acknoledges that the bias of the author is questionable.

Further I will refer to this quote:

Have you heard of the notion of idealism? Do you understand the premis of theory? Do you comprehend the divorced character of thought and life?
Your ignorance and lack of appropriate reading has confounded you on this matter. Go back and read what I was suggesting.








Good - so perhaps with a little more reflection you will have noticed that I was suggesting exactly the same thing as you were trying to illicit in the first place. However you would of course now understand that there is no such thing as a pure democracy *EVER* outside of the realms of theorised speculation. In the same way as there is no such thing as pure Communism, or pure Stuctural-Functionalism, nor pure Feminism, nor Pure Systems etc etc ad nauseum.
Your misconception appears to be that there ever could be such a reality - insofar as you mention that you refer to our current system as a "semi-democracy". Of course it is - of course all of them are. Point out to me the epitomy of this, or any other social theory, and I will point out to you heaven/nirvana/etc.

So in summary - think before you speak.


In reference to Swanny:
As a Christian I would contend that this is not the case. Only a few fringes of the Christian tradition would contend that anything other than the whole bible is the inspired Word of God. Of course Jesus, who is God, also had alot of things to say and perhaps a better based point to Midol would be that he didn't manage to find too many New Testament quotations to back up his argument. However to write off 2/3 of the bible as 'uninspired' I think gives away too much.

Um.................please explain?
If I were you (and thankfully I am not) I would have thought that a better example of the "badness" of Christianity would have been the Inquisition or even the Slave Trade in Britian & America? However as you have found some vague other point I would appreciate some further enlightenment as to what it is exactly that you are talking about. I will also assume that this is a Christian movement rather than the actions of some fringe American neo-conservatives?


Midol - I have probably made some claims against your level of intelligence. But honestly - as a heathen or infidel (depending on your judge) who are you to claim any level of moral supremecy in the judging or comparison of either religion? What gives you the right to assert that the lives and lifestyles of millions are worthless or bad or in ignorance?
I think you go too far.

Further, on a personal note, as a Christian I would contend that there are many differences between the relgions and a proper examination of both would yeild beneficial results. However your bigotted online un-thinking and un-informed comments are truly offensive and I would ask that you withdraw them. I don't go around with my 'holier-than-thou' attitude and comdemn all who do not call on the LORD to the darkest reaches of hell. That would be out of place and I would be rightly rebuked. Who are you then to think that the guise of "freedom of speach" allows you the right to defame and mock my God, my faith, and my lifestyle? I trust that in a moment of cool thinking you might reconsider your comments.

Regards
~Steve

Swanny: That is virtually the way with every religion, so how is it that the christian bible isn't allowed to be read like that but others are?

Waycon: I never said a thing about treason. I said diresepecting a country = death penalty which you said treason = death penalty to, so the next logical assumption would be that you think disrespecting a country is treason.

Wikipedia is the only known encyclopedia I can reference to, if I reference to one of my books it would require you to go and buy the book to believe me that it is in there. So I use online resources. Wikipedia comes pretty close to the truth most of the time...

So you agree with me that we don't live in a true democracy, which is exactly what wiki says. Then how come when I say semi-democracy you seem to be amazed by it? Pretty much everyone here would have realised what I was implying.

I was trying to think of something fairly recent to demostrate something 'evil' about christians. (Ohhh, I am aware I didn't take anything from the New Testament, I meant to do that.) For information on that (Which is hard to find since most media sources didn't report on it) just goto google and search 'Kill a queer campaign christ'. I don't care enough to find it for you. Yeah, it is a few F***** up people. Whether they were christian or not they'd probably be against homosexuals. This is still my point, it is unfair to judge a religion like I just did on the actions of a few people.

'Midol - I have probably made some claims against your level of intelligence. But honestly - as a heathen or infidel (depending on your judge) who are you to claim any level of moral supremecy in the judging or comparison of either religion? What gives you the right to assert that the lives and lifestyles of millions are worthless or bad or in ignorance?
I think you go too far.'

Arg, do you ever get the point of what I say??? If you think all religions other than your own are evil, then fine. I think you are ignorant for having that belief. That is what I said. There are many evil things christians have done in the past and it does not make the christians of today evil. If you want to ignore everything I say and go of and banter about completely pointless crap that I mentioned nothing of then do it, but I won't reply again.

If you feel insulted by what I have said (Wanting all religions to be viewed equally) then I don't care - chances are something I have said has gone over the wrong way. The whole time I have been trying to argue that muslims are no more evil than christians (In effect saying NEITHER of them are infact evil). He got something from their holy book, so I got something from yours which imo is just as bad. The reason I choose the old testaments is because the Quran has not undergone this transformation yet... Perhaps one day it will, perhaps it won't. I don't care. They don't believe raping a 9yr old girl is right now so that is all that matters.

Mate the legal age of marriage for girls in Iran is 9 right now. 5sec google scearch brought this up.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_..._27/ai_71563378

And I'm not even going to go into such things as "Honour Killings" which still happens in relatively secular muslim nations such as Jordan.

So, it is their culture??? Let them be. Ohhh, laws say you can shoot indians if there are more than 5 of them since it is a war party in America... Do you think many of them actually do it? Isn't the marriage there organised by the parents? If so, that happens in many places in the world and the girls are as good as married as soon as they are born.

In Australia they don't even let two gay people marry... What's your point? Both religions/cultures have their flaws.

Honour killings? Similar to the death penalty which is still used in many many other countries, but Iran is so much worse than them.

Iran is a crappy place to live... But I doubt it is the worse and the religion has little to do with it.

You really have no idea what Honour killings are? I'm not even going to bother responding to you anymore you just showed how truly ignorant you are and if you think that just because something is culturally acceptable that makes it right well...

A group is selling flag burning kits (They are uni kids, it is their way to fight/protest)... Should they be killed for this?