Hi everyone
i have a NA fairlane which i am lookin to put splits in. i live in perth and went to audio art and they told me that the pioneer splits just under the bullets r the best in the pioneer range and they would cost $300(cant remember that well). since the bullets cost therebouts i think thats a bit expensive and not sure bout their views to be correct. my other option from there were phass splits which were bout $500.
well i listen to hiphop and all that black music since im black. what i need to know is what splits should i get that sound good for my music. i am getting pods done and would like to spend around 500 but can go up to 1000. there is such a huge range of speakers from so many companies. i am leaning to going something from rainbow audio or the phass or mb quarts. prices would be very helpfull too and
talso placers in perth
Thanks for your help and keep up the work boys

for your type of music, i wouldnt necessarily go with mb quarts, they tend to have a smoother, more rounded sound from my experience.

i have really enjoyed the phass speakers i've auditioned, and as u said, there are MANY speakers in the $500-$1000 range.

i would try to get a listen to rainbow (not sure on model), boston (pro60), phass (t650), focal (165k2p), diamond audio (hex s600), dynaudio (240gt), eton (a2 - highly recommended also), oz audio (180cs)
the boston and eton have very strong, punchy mid-bass
the focals i've heard are similar to the eton's, but with a slightly brighter tweeter
the dyns i am not sure about how they sound - its been a long time since i last heard any
and i havent heard the diamonds or the oz audio

note, the models suggested are all at the upper end of ur budget, but remember that good installation is a must for speakers to perform well, so if need be, look at the models below those suggested so that u have some extra cash for proper installation

also sound deaden the doors, if you can try to demo some speakers in car...as i find most focals and mb's too bright for my liking

you really can't go wrong with either phass, boston or rainbow

if you want to know prices
http://www.fhrxstudios.com
and look under products

also some other retail stores in perth:
Sounds Xplosive
289 Great Eastern Highway, Burswood
Phone: 9361 2277

Technik
16-18 Augusta Street, Willetton
Phone: 9457 1700

Alberts Myaree
4/56 McCoy Street, Myaree
Phone: 9317 4599

Rainbow SLC 265 Kick's. I've got a set and boy do they pump

If you want to know where you can get them PM me and I'll find out who your nearest retailer is.

There is such thing as black music?

thanks for the replies
i just relised that audioart suggested the es phass speaker. thatwasnt on display so i ouldnt audition it. i will nobuy a speaker that i cant atleast listen to instore.
i will go around and havea few list today and let u guys know how it goes. at the moment looking at the rainbows but ill see

for your music, 165KP not K2P Focals, Type R alpines, Boston Pro's

I'd have to second that they pump. Just installed some in my gf car, and they sound fantastic. Very clean and clear.

ok so got some quotes on few models, tell me wat u guys think
are they cheap and which should i go for. i still havent tested many out
OZ Audio ME180CS - $799
Diamond Audio S600 - $629
Boston Acoustics Pro60 - $649
Alpine Type X SPX-177R - $549
is there any others i should look at
at the moment might have to settle for bostons, any got them and wats your thoughts bout them
how are the type x alpines
cheers for your help boys

here did you get that pricing..... rrp of bostons is $1099

FHRX are doing the Diamons S600 for under $600 at the moment at www.fhrxstudios.com

For that money, I don't think you can beat them. My friend has the metal dome set in his car, and they are one of the nicest sets of speakers around without a doubt.

Also consider Rainbow's Profi or vanadium kickbass sets. I have the Profi phase plugs in my car at the moment, and they have a very sweet smooth sound. Haven't head the kickbass sets, but i've heard the midbass on them is phenomenal.

Morel Elate and Dynaudios system 240MKII are both very nice sets. The dyn's are very soft and refined. The morels are very, very similar in sound, but a tad more agressive. Both have a strong midbass.

These four sets would probably be my personal picks.

for rnb/hip hop id go a speaker with a lot of mid bass and less harsh tweeters i know the alpine type r's have this...top end focals tend to be pretty crazy in the musical quality and mid bass department...you cant go wrong with the type x splits give them an audition i think they go bloody hard...

Is there a speaker recommendation site? IE: If you like music "X", pick these speakers?

James

i got that pricing here, is that cheap?
at the moment im lost to what to get, i will listen to as many and choose wat i like
i also listen to regae music
any more sugestions or prices?
thanks

any more sugestions or prices?

I live in Perth. Tried a few speakers and bought Focal K2Ps for $785. Someone suggested they're not the best for your music but go to Westside Car Audio in Cannington and listen and compare. They also sell Alpine and they're good they don't try to sell you stuff that you don't want. If you want Bostons I suggest FHRX in Sydney I bought a Boston amp from them, Marty's advice is good.

Doug

Type-R's have great midbass, but u might find the tweeter a little harsh (ie: painful after a long listening period). I dont recommend Phass for that sort of music either. Its much too subtle for the sort of THUMP you are after in ur musical taste.

Havent heard the rainbows.. but have heard LOTS of people praise them. Bostons are also quite good for your musical taste, and at that price might be a winner.

ok so i heard a few i list them down
went to alberts myaree and heard:
mb quart discus and premium , were good but not great, guy didnt turn them up or anything on my cd, complain bout mp3 and all that but didnt really find them great, he recommended the reference line the most but didnt have a set on displya
alpine r, x and dddlinear ones. r were ok, x i like but not that great and linear ones were good, again guy didnt turn them up and didnt suggest for me to go with any of them
i didnt like the fact that they didnt let me audition the speakers reall good with volume up on my cd, at the moment im considering type x for price and quality
went to westside car audio and heard:
focal 165k2p and 165v2s, both were pretty great, v2s was better cause they pumped more but tweeters were harsher, guy said that k2p were better but cause runnign of deck, they need lots of power to sound good, he wouldnt let me audition the x types, kept avoiding them and recomended focals a lot
went to tecknik car audio
guy told me that morels are really good, he dont have a set for 2 weeks, they stopped geting rainbows, but i cant audition with them so thats a dillema
ok prices
mb quart premium pce 216-$799
mb reference rce 216-$579
mb discus dse 216-$399
type x spx-177r-round $500
type r-$399
focal 165 v2s-$399
focal 165 k2p-$789
really considerin type x at the moment or linear one($799), type x werent that great but linear ones was good. also considerin focals. v2s were pretty nice other than harsh tweeter. k2p would be good if i had amp at moment
i still wanna listen to few morw speciall boston pro 60 so undecided at the moment. whats the experiance with type x here, who has them and how r they? any recomendations on the other choices

forgot that i went to audiocom
they were crap, only wanted me to listen to pioneers, bullets and yellow one and kickers, didnt wanna show me their high end crap in the little room for some reason
funny that audioart tried to steer me away from dynaudio when i specifically asked to listen to them, and also guys at audiocom laughed when i asked for brands that "make amps and speakers only" and when i said boston the guy nearly cracked up infront of me
so far westside(cannington) was really helpfull and so was alberts myaree and tecknik, audioart was ok but not great, car stereo city vic park is really good work and price, but not too much high end stuff and the guy at sounds xplosive was really friendly over the phone, even though i went 3 times last week and no one was there

"didnt wanna show me their high end crap in the little room for some reason"

Yep, that was my experience too. Anyway their 'high end' stuff is not.

Hey I was wondering if you want to listen to my Focals. It's always better to audition in a vehicle rather than on a demoboard. Send me a pm and we can organise a time and place. You may not like the K2Ps but it will help you decide.

Doug

If money is going to be a factor, the Alpines probably will offer the best compromise,
since they will run well off cheaper Japanese amps or any amp for that matter.

the Focal K2P is going to be alot pickier speaker, in terms of it's input, a Quality USA hand made amp is probably best, with at least 100W if not 200W a side, Damping factor of at least 500. Generally depending on where you run the TN52, you will need to tone it down, I run up on the dash at -4DB luckily if you use the focal X/Over it has 1-7db drop in 1db increments, so that won't be a issue.. The other issue is if there is even the slightest imperfection in your install, these speakers will show it in the sound where other speakers probably wouldn't. Basically, these are audiophile speakers, they need to be backed up by Audiophile quality running gear.

the TN47 on the V2's I Believe is harder to work with, it will work better off a "quality" US based amp. But if you run it on a head unit or on a Japanese amp you'd probably be quite disapointed.

Alpine on Alpine I found works very very well, because it's designed to work together. And when you do put a Alpine speaker on a Alpine amp, They represent great Value versus performance.
but mix Alpine with something else, and results tend to vary and (talking about everything BUT the decks) and usually for the worst. I'm quite a fan of there decks, but mainly because they are value for money,
I don't run one myself though.

I imagine the DD Linears would need a amp to run properly, even the Type X for that matter.
It's up to you, the Focals are not really that great for R&B, Rap type music, but they can be fantastically detailed and clear, I found the K2P midbass to be able to take massive amount of abuse without any hint of distortion, but it's not a "deep bass" "massive hitting" sounding midrange, If your planning to run without subs, give them a miss. if your running with subs, it shouldn't really matter the K2p's produce plenty of midbass to blend the bass freq's across from the sub when setup properly. It's just up to you if you like revealing detailed sound, or something more hard hitting but less accurate.

I've run MB quartz with good luck, but mainly only the base models.
they work pretty decent, with a nice crossover even the base models can sound pretty dam decent!
it's the lack of a decent Crossover that makes most mid range speakers sound junky.

I run K2p's but in a active arrangement, in a ute.
be happy to let you have a audition if you wanted also.
might be worth it too hook up with both me and Doug at the same time, so we can all have a listen to them being setup both Active and Passive.

Juls

Juls, do u work in the industry?
also, have u heard about richard clark's $10,000 amp test? he has challenged anyone to select two different amps and then during a blind (obviously) A/B test, correctly tell the two amps apart - if u can do it over 24 trials (which if the differences are as obvious as u claim [between hand made usa amps and cheap asian amps] then u get $10,000 of his money

i find it really misleading when u tell someone that alpine amps are designed to work with alpine speakers - of course they are, thats what amps do, work with speakers. alpine amps will work with ANY speaker.
are u trying to say that using a tru-tech amp with alpine speakers will not sound as good as using alpine-alpine??

Alpine amps work perfectly fine with everything else,
but they work particulary well when mated with there own brand equipt.
I have proven it to myself over and over and over.. it's up to you what you make of that info,
i'm not forcing you to believe it.

it's like Holden making a set of shock absorbers for it's Race car, then sticking those same shocks
on a Mitsubishi Magna wagon and expecting identical performance.. not going to happen. That being said
those same shocks in a RX8 Race car might work even better than they do in the holden.

regardless of richard clarks 10 year old home audio amp test.
there is a noticeable difference between Car Audio amplifier performance.
Damping factor alone is noticeable by ear let alone all the other factors.

Juls

Quite a generalisation there champ. Some japanese amplifiers are excellent and would be considered better than many american counterparts (such as Phass & Nakamichi) and many of those "hand made in USA" amp's aren't all they are cracked up to be.

There were some threads going around a while ago maybe about 2 years back about USA manufacturers moving their amp construction overseas. Infact what they found was that there was still the same sound coming from the amp, but build tollerances were higher. Overall it doesn't mean anything where the amp is made.

I wasn't talking about "sound quality" or "Build quality"

I was talking about the actual sound they produce being just ever so slightly different.
"generally speaking" Japanese amps produce a slightly crisper sound which can result in brighter tweeters.

neither means they are better or worse. just certain products work better together.

There is alot of complaints about focal and other tweeters being harsh, and this can stem to slight incompatibilitys with the input signal.

we are only talking about ever so slight differences, to the largest percentage of people these differences are not noticeable. Therefore back to back testing really comes down to the individual, no amount of different opinions or closed eye group testing will change that. Reasoning will only ever be "general" it can never be precise. No one gets to test every amp on the planet.

When you complain about a overly crisp or overly warm sound, is there a problem with the speaker?? or is it that the amp is at fault? Neither? something else? thats a whole another kettle of fish.

There is a difference in sound between amps, but that difference is up to the individual. Scientific or group tests won't change that.

Juls

Apolagies mate. I thought you were talking about the quality of both the signal and the amp.

Thanks for your replies boys
First of all i to xplosive sound yesterday. i had a talk to the guy about the bostons and rainbows. pro 60s go for round $1100 and profi 3 ways for $1200. i can get the pro 60 for $650 so i think now its between them and the focals. the guy as very helpful indeed and an expert in his field. i didnt listen to anything as he didnt have boards running.
i came to a conclusion- car stereo salesman are SALESMAN, they try to grab your money. when u r in each place u feel like that is the best place. a tip to everyone is to take you and do your research. dont impulse buy like i was tempted to so many times
i will try to listem to some sets in cars and then decide. i will probly do that at alberts on their db thingo day. r anyother guys interested in listeninto dfew sets in cars? we try to organise something for that day.
again cheers for your help

amen to that dont let them fool you