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crazy dave
I'm looking at getting a new car in the next few weeks and I'm lookin for a few ideas. Ive got about 25000 to spend and the only real thing im looking for is something with 4 doors.

What do you all think of the new lancers? what about astras? any opinions or other suggestions would be great, but anythings gotta be better then the excel I've got at the mo .

cheers
Anonymous
I'd go with a Ford Focus Zetech
fantastic cars, i nearly bought one but decided to go for a cheaper car and more audio instead

definately my choice in sub 30K cars! sensational drive, great handling, fuel efficient, comfortable cars and just generally have that good strong ford feel

Id stay clear of astras/vectras, a few friends of mine have them and they've been nothing but trouble.

The new corolla's are definately worth a look at, although a bit bunky imo.

Check out Kia's 4 door luxury model, definatley very nice. aswell as Pulsars I currently drive a mitsubishi and love it, the new ones drive and perform very similar to my Galant, however if i see another P plate lancer with their poxy bodykit and 16" stock alloy wheels on the road i'll scream, i wouldnt buy one purely due to the rice burners that they attract, if it wernt for that, lancers are a sensational car!

[ November 04, 2003, 00:02: Message edited by: NUMB ]
ripped
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Originally posted by NUMB:
Id stay clear of astras/vectras, a few friends of mine have them and they've been nothing but trouble.
mine's almost 2 years old, done around 48 thousand km's on the clock and there has been no major problems. the alternator used to squeel ever since i did my 30sec enduro, but at the service i told them to tighten it and i haven't noticed the squeel ever since.

i'd recommend the astra, but it's your choice and i'd test drive as many cars as possible. as for the astras reliability, mine's been fine.
Anonymous
If you want power, go the Corolla 1.8l 100kw engine, also very reliable.
Focus I find like the Last model Laser have a very poor turning circle which when trying to park in tight spots or even normal spots can become a major pain in the ass and gets very frustrating, also very boring to drive like most
Fords.
The Mazda 323 is a fairly Good car, although based very similar to the Last Laser so aging very fast, also boring. The 323 also has a better turning circle than the Laser does and They are very good for car audio.
Lancers are built cheap and sold cheap, also a very slow engine, my advise stay away. Im not saying they are unreliable just built cheaply and after 3 years or so that starts to tell in noise and rattles entering the cabin.
My one piece of advise would be, Why buy brand new and lose 50% of the cars value in the next 2 1/2 years, buy a better quality car that is 2-3 years old with up to 40,000Ks and full service history. You still get a fantastic car and not pay top dollar and the car is only just run in.
I bought my WRX at 4 years old with 43Ks and full Subaru service history for $28K and there is not a new car on the market for that price that offers me what the WRX does, worth thinking about.
Mr_Bob
i drove a new corolla.. i'd rather walk. the mirage was jsut as quick, and felt better on teh road.
it's also a darnsite cheaper.
the astina/323 was HEAPs better than the corolla. WORLDS apart.
inferno6688
if i was u i'd wait for the new Mazda 3 to come out. or if u can't wait go for the Focus
Rockin
I'm with Urban Rex. If you get something a couple of years old you can do a lot better. $25k doesn't buy doesn't buy much when it comes to new cars.
Wasnt Me
I also agree with buying a near new car. My car, a 2002 camry V6 touring, (go ahead and laugh all you like) was only one years old with 11,114km and olnly cost me 23grand. Yes it may be a old mans car but it has more grunt than any new car that is on the market in your price bracket. It also has the toyota reliability.

I would have bought a 200sx/skyline if insurance isn't such a hassle as i am only 20.

New cars worth having a look would be Mazda 323, Corolla (looks like crap imo), pulsar. I personally won't be a holden or ford. (no offense to anyone driving them) IMHO their quality is not very good if you go for the lower models.

Phat Devil
FatZED
g'day,
i'd go for a 3 series BMW. the model is e36, they're really nice and one of the most popular bmw's around so parts aren't a huge problem. with the bmw name, your getting reliability etc. i have never heard of anyone having a problem with one of these. for 15k you can get a decent one, for $20k you can get a really nice one, leather interior etc. then spend another $5k on a bodykit, it'll look really sweet. if you want i can send you pics on what a $25 e36 3 series bmw can and will look like.
DrEvil
If you have to get a new car as MrBob says, look at the Astina's...

If you can get a car a couple of years old the choices are endless...

I don't think u stated whether u are after 2doors, 4doors, sports, luxury, whatever...
crazy dave
Thanks for the replies guys. I'm basically looking for something with 4 doors and thats not too shabby off the line. not really concerned about looks, just something reliable, zippy and comfy.

what do you guys think of the mazda6's? are they worht the extra money over the 323's?

thanks again
NUTTTR
Mazda 323 - or - my vote - Astra... I've only done 7,500k's in mine, but they are bloody awesome cars... the 2.2L engine is more torquey and faster, but, the 1.8 is nice to drive too... Personally i give them the thumbs up, i haven't had a single problem with mine to date... My mum has the mazda (02 model, SP20) and she hasn't had a single problem with her's either... I personally prefer the astra, because everytime i drive it i smile Good drivers car....

Aaron
UsedBC
if u can wiat for the mazda 3, i saw it at the motor show and i loved it. looks better than the 6 IMO. and alot cheaper. they are coming out at around teh $22000 mark. and well worth every cent!!
Anonymous
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Originally posted by crazy dave:


what do you guys think of the mazda6's? are they worht the extra money over the 323's?

thanks again
definately but arnt they about 45K?

Ive driven a few Mazda 6's and they are in my book an awesome car.

why not go second hand and get an ex demo Honda Accord or Honda Integra??
crazy dave
I think the mazda6's are about 29000 for the budget model. Dunno if its worth that extra few grand over the 323's. sounds like it is. Hadn't thought about hondas - heard they were expensive to maintain...or is that just a rumour?
Anonymous
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Originally posted by crazy dave:
I think the mazda6's are about 29000 for the budget model. Dunno if its worth that extra few grand over the 323's. sounds like it is. Hadn't thought about hondas - heard they were expensive to maintain...or is that just a rumour?
hondas are one of the most reliable cars on the road, if not THE most reliable, excellent fuel efficiency, great to drive and extremely comfortable Some models are a bit gutless but if you get a nice accord it'll have plenty of stick, integras can be gutless in some peoples minds though.

have a drive though!
KJ GTV
A run-out model TJ Series 2 - Manual - 3.5L Magna. With the money you have left, you can make it look, go and sound sweet! All within your 20 - 25g budget! If you have budgeted for the audio seperately, then thats.. good :S

They go like crazy and for a lil extra you can give em that extra get up and go to leave the commonwhore drivers (No offence ) in the dust!

SuFz

[ November 04, 2003, 20:13: Message edited by: RoLLa_GTi ]
NUTTTR
Well, for 29K you could get the top of the range 2L motor, etc, in the 323 mazda, with all options, etc, OR, you could get a base model mazda 6.... I'd go the 323, personally.... They are good cars, not my cup of tea, but drive it, then decide
Aaron
Trough Lolly
your all crazy.. talkin about fart boxes for that much cash.. lol

R33 skyline BABY!!! for WELL UNDER $25!
Killbilly
Are they 4 door though?
Wasnt Me
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Originally posted by Killbilly:
Are they 4 door though?
Yes there are 4 door version of the R33 Skyline GTS25T. It is slower than the two door but faster that any of the car mentioned. I second this!!!

Phat Devil
crazy dave
Yeah, I've thought about skylines (a lot!) but the insurance for a 20yo makes it all too hard. the big thing I'm after is reliability...what are the R33's like in that regard?

Another car to think about anyway!
Trough Lolly
VERY reliable cars. ive only heard of things like clutches and diffs going.. but thats thru pure thrashing the cars

serious your CRAZY spending that sorta dosh on a 4 banger when u can have a car like this for the same price.

and as for the MAZDA "4" PFFTT hahaha.. $39K for a 4 cylinder? now thats just wrong...
Trough Lolly
as for your insurance for a 20 yr old.. just buy a top notch alarm and immobiliser probly about 1G+fitting.

IMO if u can afford 25G on a car if u crash u can afford a new bumper..

im a non believer of insurance.. well anything in excess of $1500 per year.. u cant honestly tell me you save money off this int he long run
NUTTTR
no insurance is great and all, if you want to risk it, IMHO, the chance of getting a car stolen when you don't have insurance comes to murphy's law... What if, you're driving down the road, stop at a set of lights, and an uninsured driver hits you from behind! You can't do anything, well, you can, take him through the courts to make him pay, shouldn't take him more than 10 years or so to pay back
to be honest, with society the way it is, i won't drive a car without insurance, regardless of what it is...
Example : you pick up your new car, it's raining, you're not used to the car, someone pulls out of a side street and you swerve to avoid him, go off the road, and hit something, be it gutter and pole, etc, whatever.. You've just lost one crapload of money
Aaron
DrEvil
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Originally posted by NUTTTR:
no insurance is great and all, if you want to risk it, IMHO, the chance of getting a car stolen when you don't have insurance comes to murphy's law... What if, you're driving down the road, stop at a set of lights, and an uninsured driver hits you from behind! You can't do anything, well, you can, take him through the courts to make him pay, shouldn't take him more than 10 years or so to pay back      
to be honest, with society the way it is, i won't drive a car without insurance, regardless of what it is...
Example : you pick up your new car, it's raining, you're not used to the car, someone pulls out of a side street and you swerve to avoid him, go off the road, and hit something, be it gutter and pole, etc, whatever.. You've just lost one crapload of money    
Aaron
I totally agree... Anything worth over $5000 is worth insuring comprehensively in my opinion... It comes down to "will i miss XXXXX" if i write off the car?
crazy dave
I just got back from taking a mates 323 SP20 for a fang...very nice indeed...but the ad for the mazda6 was on tv when i got home! decisions decisions!

Not being that clued up on cars, is there gunna be much difference in power between the two (98Kw against 122Kw). I can probly find the extra few grand from somewhere if it's gunna be worth it. I can't go for a test drive cos I'm 1000k's from the nearest mazda dealer, but when i go to perth next week I wanna know what im looking for.

Thanks again guys.
WRXCORE
Nothing beats the feeling of a buying a brand new car thou

Unless you can afford insurance for a turbo'd car forget about getting one, as mentioned above its just too risky.

Get the Mazda6 they nice
FLiPSiDE
I'd wait to have a look at the new mazda 3 SP23 whenever it comes out..cant be too long i dont think.. it might be a little outa the price range im not sure.. but its not lookin bad

forget about astra's.That "drivers car" comment made me laugh haha but whateffa
Beezo
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Originally posted by NUMB:
Id stay clear of astras/vectras, a few friends of mine have them and they've been nothing but trouble.
Too true. They parts cost far too much as well. Had one in the other day, worth $16,000... parts were gonna cost $25,000 (more than the friggin' car!)
Wasnt Me
Why not think about the camry if you are going to get the base model Mazda6. It has been advertise half a month ago for about 27000 driveaway.

It also has the awesome toyota reliability. Only probably second to Honda but a hell of a lot cheaper.

Phat Devil
RockfordMini
don't spose u've had a look at a civic?

starting price less than $23k with a 96kw 1.7L
plus i'd rather a honda than most car's these days the way engine manufacturing and body quality is going

[ November 08, 2003, 23:44: Message edited by: RockfordMini ]
crazy dave
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Jenna (Crazy daves partner)
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