well i am a Holden supporter and would like to know everyones opinion on todays race. M Ambrose deserved the win but i think the race was soured bu the skaife ingall incident. Why did ingall put up a fight he wasnt gaining anything from slowing skaife down as ambrose has it in the bag.
Congrats to ambrose for a good win and series victory.
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The actions of both drivers in my mind was extremely unprofessional and childish. Tensions might be high, but that type of behaviour is not called for by our sportspeople.
However Ingall, charging back towards Skaife is not only the most retarted thing I have ever seen in Australian Touring Cars - including Group C, Group A and V8 Supercars. As if the sport isnt battling insurance costs, that sort of immature bullsh!t doesnt help.
If i wanted to see that type of behaviour I would watch wrestling.
Congratulations to Marcus on a nail-bitting season!
Cheers
Craig
However Ingall, charging back towards Skaife is not only the most retarted thing I have ever seen in Australian Touring Cars - including Group C, Group A and V8 Supercars. As if the sport isnt battling insurance costs, that sort of immature bullsh!t doesnt help.
If i wanted to see that type of behaviour I would watch wrestling.
Congratulations to Marcus on a nail-bitting season!
Cheers
Craig
Drivers get nudged, is it a big deal because it happened to Skaife? Ingall was pushed of by Skaife first and he nudged back.
The way Skaife waited and yelled was childish and then he went to the garage and yelled more.
Skaifie, get off ya high horse. these things happen.
The way Skaife waited and yelled was childish and then he went to the garage and yelled more.
Skaifie, get off ya high horse. these things happen.
I was half asleep until that happened. I thought it was quite funny watching Skaife go nuts, acting like a kid.
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Originally posted by ThumpenLTD:
Drivers get nudged, is it a big deal because it happened to Skaife? Ingall was pushed of by Skaife first and he nudged back.
The way Skaife waited and yelled was childish and then he went to the garage and yelled more.
Skaifie, get off ya high horse. these things happen.
hes just pissed that he wont be getting the winnings $$$.. Gr33d!!!!!!!!!
Drivers get nudged, is it a big deal because it happened to Skaife? Ingall was pushed of by Skaife first and he nudged back.
The way Skaife waited and yelled was childish and then he went to the garage and yelled more.
Skaifie, get off ya high horse. these things happen.
oh please ford boys, ingall was a pit stop behind and had been holding up skaife for 5 laps who was consistenly getting quicker and making his way up from 9th. racing incident? pffft right
though skaife was venting his frustration in an immature way, definately, but theres no way you can justify doing that no matter how much you dislike skaife/hrt
though skaife was venting his frustration in an immature way, definately, but theres no way you can justify doing that no matter how much you dislike skaife/hrt
From what i saw, in teh 50 or so replays...
the incident wasn't anyone's fault as such, skaife should have allowed room, and didn't, there was a bump which spun him into the wall. he shouldn't have been pushing ingall off the track in the first place.
Skaife initated the "post incident" altercations by walking back onto the track to show ingall what he thought of him... i don't see how ingall's reactions were "un-called for" though he should have been the bigger man and let it ride.
Skaife's just lost it cause he's no longer "the man"
the incident wasn't anyone's fault as such, skaife should have allowed room, and didn't, there was a bump which spun him into the wall. he shouldn't have been pushing ingall off the track in the first place.
Skaife initated the "post incident" altercations by walking back onto the track to show ingall what he thought of him... i don't see how ingall's reactions were "un-called for" though he should have been the bigger man and let it ride.
Skaife's just lost it cause he's no longer "the man"
If Ingall was a pit-stop behind Skaife, then why didn't the marshalls wave the blue flags to allow Skaife to pass. I'm not really sure what the 'flag rules' are in V8's but I think that it should be similar to F1; that is, you get two warnings with the blue flag then you are required to let the faster car through.
And Holden fans, I bet that the way Murphy was talking over the weekend he would have done exactly the same thing as Ingall did given the circumstance. No team orders, no rules, just doing everything that you can to win the championship.
Overall, I still remember the great line out of 'Days of Thunder' - Rubbin's Racin'!
Cheers...Mitch
And Holden fans, I bet that the way Murphy was talking over the weekend he would have done exactly the same thing as Ingall did given the circumstance. No team orders, no rules, just doing everything that you can to win the championship.
Overall, I still remember the great line out of 'Days of Thunder' - Rubbin's Racin'!
Cheers...Mitch
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Originally posted by Mr_Bob:
Skaife's just lost it cause he's no longer "the man"
you mean "the man with the car"Skaife's just lost it cause he's no longer "the man"
Skaife is a t00l full stop.
both were at fault for the incident.
there was also more to it than that
as ingall drove past the hrt pit crew he gave them the "one finger salute"
anyone would have to agree ingall was more in the wrong than skaife and they have both now been given 3 race bans, skaife a $10 000 fine and ingall a $15000 fine
as ingall drove past the hrt pit crew he gave them the "one finger salute"
anyone would have to agree ingall was more in the wrong than skaife and they have both now been given 3 race bans, skaife a $10 000 fine and ingall a $15000 fine
i don't see why ingall was "more in the wrong"
don't forget Skaife also went to ingall's team-mates in the pits and abused them.
KrasE, i admit that i'm nto a holden fan (not really a ford fan either) i also get the impression that skaife loves himself, however, the cars are so closely matched that his championship wins would have alot to do with his skill as a driver.
I can't deny the respect he deserves as a driver, even though i don't like the impression i get of ihs personality.
remember that ingall didn't force skaife off the road, ingall was fighting to stay on teh track, and in the process skaife ended up spinning into the wall. it wasn't a malicious manouvure from ingall, just a rub. if he had been trying to force skaife into the wall, would he have intentionally spun skaife across the front of his car? i'm sure he doens't have a death-wish.
if ingal hadn't rubbed skaife, then skaife would have pushed him into the wall...
i don't know when ingall gave the salute to skaife's pit-crew, but i can imagine it was in retaliation to skaife abusing his own pit crew.
i guess they're as bad as each other, but i believe skaife initiated it after he collided in the wall (which was his own fault anyway)
i know if i was ingall, and skaife had tried to force me into a wall, and then abused me after he had been unsuccessful, i wouldn't be happy either.
don't forget Skaife also went to ingall's team-mates in the pits and abused them.
KrasE, i admit that i'm nto a holden fan (not really a ford fan either) i also get the impression that skaife loves himself, however, the cars are so closely matched that his championship wins would have alot to do with his skill as a driver.
I can't deny the respect he deserves as a driver, even though i don't like the impression i get of ihs personality.
remember that ingall didn't force skaife off the road, ingall was fighting to stay on teh track, and in the process skaife ended up spinning into the wall. it wasn't a malicious manouvure from ingall, just a rub. if he had been trying to force skaife into the wall, would he have intentionally spun skaife across the front of his car? i'm sure he doens't have a death-wish.
if ingal hadn't rubbed skaife, then skaife would have pushed him into the wall...
i don't know when ingall gave the salute to skaife's pit-crew, but i can imagine it was in retaliation to skaife abusing his own pit crew.
i guess they're as bad as each other, but i believe skaife initiated it after he collided in the wall (which was his own fault anyway)
i know if i was ingall, and skaife had tried to force me into a wall, and then abused me after he had been unsuccessful, i wouldn't be happy either.
When skaife first walked into the pits, not only was he abusing them, he kind of pushed one of the guys(think it was teh team owner).
The *****yness in the V8's is starting to remind me of dB drags at times
The *****yness in the V8's is starting to remind me of dB drags at times
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Originally posted by KraSE:
Skaife is a t00l full stop.
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Unlike Ingall who decided to road rage for all his fans too see, great role model.
Skaife is a t00l full stop.
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heh i enjoyed it
bit dangerous but..
bit dangerous but..
i think we are missing a few things.
Skaife: doesnt need to prove himself any more than he has for the past 5yrs! Always very fair, and he Owns the HRT team!
This gives him the right to say waht he likes about the other team (being an owner). He said after the corner they were traveling straight (he had the racing line) there was bumping which is part of it. But Ingall tried to push him off the track (which worked)
Ingall - 2nd rate driver and 2nd in the team(has been a sour loser for a long time now)!
ALso we all know he is and always has been an ar$ehole and doesnt care for sportsmanship.
Skaife said what he did was wrong But what Ingall did after that was just crazy and way over the top. The main diff is that Skaife admits what he did where as Ingall still says that he did nothing wrong!
But with the way the umpires decision are going this year they will probably both get given $10,000. wish they could keep it constant!
Skaife: doesnt need to prove himself any more than he has for the past 5yrs! Always very fair, and he Owns the HRT team!
This gives him the right to say waht he likes about the other team (being an owner). He said after the corner they were traveling straight (he had the racing line) there was bumping which is part of it. But Ingall tried to push him off the track (which worked)
Ingall - 2nd rate driver and 2nd in the team(has been a sour loser for a long time now)!
ALso we all know he is and always has been an ar$ehole and doesnt care for sportsmanship.
Skaife said what he did was wrong But what Ingall did after that was just crazy and way over the top. The main diff is that Skaife admits what he did where as Ingall still says that he did nothing wrong!
But with the way the umpires decision are going this year they will probably both get given $10,000. wish they could keep it constant!
didnt HRT move over and let ambrose through at one stage of the race. I am sure i remember the comentators saying thats good sportsmanship to do that.
So what happens to poeple that are behind a certain point on the car arnt they suppose to give right of way to the driver in front? As i see it skaife was past and therfor ingall should of backed of and let him thru im my opinion.
So what happens to poeple that are behind a certain point on the car arnt they suppose to give right of way to the driver in front? As i see it skaife was past and therfor ingall should of backed of and let him thru im my opinion.
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Originally posted by WRXCORE:
Unlike Ingall who decided to road rage for all his fans too see, great role model. [/QB]quote:
Originally posted by KraSE:
Skaife is a t00l full stop.
Never once said what ingall did was not in the wrong. Just stating the fact that skaife is a t00l.
also skaife acted in the perfect way any team owner would I bet HRT are proud of him
Ok Ok... Few more points that need to be considered.
The corner exit was normal - a bit of a touch up is nothing. But Ingal keep pushing Skaife to the right, causing the spin to come back across to the left.
The incident was dangerous and down right stupid, as a teacher, I see how many children idolise these people, including Shane Warne and a string of other high profile people who keep acting like babies.
Now, i know the last perfect person was crusified, but these people are paid high amount of dosh and have to carry the added presure of being a role model but that means that have to control their behaviour.
Personaly, If i was a director of a company that is a sponser of either driver; I would not be pleased with that type of publicity.
Cheers
Craig
The corner exit was normal - a bit of a touch up is nothing. But Ingal keep pushing Skaife to the right, causing the spin to come back across to the left.
The incident was dangerous and down right stupid, as a teacher, I see how many children idolise these people, including Shane Warne and a string of other high profile people who keep acting like babies.
Now, i know the last perfect person was crusified, but these people are paid high amount of dosh and have to carry the added presure of being a role model but that means that have to control their behaviour.
Personaly, If i was a director of a company that is a sponser of either driver; I would not be pleased with that type of publicity.
Cheers
Craig
There was no footage actaully showing panel against panel, you just saw 2 cars next to eachother. The way I see it, he's come off the grass/gravel, making the car move accros. He's tapped him, saw the car go infront of him, and swerved to avoid slamming straight into the side of it.
I think it's fare to say its a racing incident. It's just unfortunate how they both acted after the incident.
I think it's fare to say its a racing incident. It's just unfortunate how they both acted after the incident.
no way the corner was done by the book by both parties.
Skaife had the corner because the front of his car was past teh 'B' pillar of the car he was overtaking (Ingall)
Skaife then continuted on HIS racing line which he has every right to do. Ingall had a choice keep up and go off teh track or back off and get in behind.
He decided to go off a bit then take Mark out!
Skaife had the corner because the front of his car was past teh 'B' pillar of the car he was overtaking (Ingall)
Skaife then continuted on HIS racing line which he has every right to do. Ingall had a choice keep up and go off teh track or back off and get in behind.
He decided to go off a bit then take Mark out!
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Originally posted by Phat 33:
I see how many children idolise these people, including Shane Warne and a string of other high profile people who keep acting like babies.
does that make our famous news readers guilty for showing it to our children over TV ??I see how many children idolise these people, including Shane Warne and a string of other high profile people who keep acting like babies.
i think ppl need to stop blaming others and start looking near home base for once..
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Originally posted by Trough Lolly:
does that make our famous news readers guilty for showing it to our children over TV ??quote:
Originally posted by Phat 33:
[b]I see how many children idolise these people, including Shane Warne and a string of other high profile people who keep acting like babies.
i think ppl need to stop blaming others and start looking near home base for once..[/b]
I agree 100%
someone needs to take the blame not pass the buck..
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Originally posted by Beany man:
no way the corner was done by the book by both parties.
Skaife had the corner because the front of his car was past teh 'B' pillar of the car he was overtaking (Ingall)
Skaife then continuted on HIS racing line which he has every right to do. Ingall had a choice keep up and go off teh track or back off and get in behind.
He decided to go off a bit then take Mark out!
Did we all watch the same telecast or what?no way the corner was done by the book by both parties.
Skaife had the corner because the front of his car was past teh 'B' pillar of the car he was overtaking (Ingall)
Skaife then continuted on HIS racing line which he has every right to do. Ingall had a choice keep up and go off teh track or back off and get in behind.
He decided to go off a bit then take Mark out!
I watch all kinds of motorsport and am neither a Holden or Ford fan...I follow and support the drivers not a make and model of car...so hence I have no manufacturer bias...
It was a racing incident pure and simple...I agree skaife was down the inside and past the B pillar...ingall tried to run with him around the outside, skaife forced ingall wide over the ripple strip and partially onto the grass(which is comm,on in all forms of motorsport from F1 down)...ingalls front left wheel dropped into a pothole which unsettled the car and resulted in contact with skaife...which caused him to spin and hit the wall...from the numerous replays I saw at no time did ingall simply have skaife off
These guys are 2 of the hardest chargers in supercars and neither was willing to give an inch and they paid the price it's as simple as that...however their actions after the collision left a bit to be desired..that was for me the most dissapointing thing
Congrats must go out to Marcus Ambrose on his championship win...he pulled out all stops when it counted even after some difficult rounds recently...
Great Job
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Originally posted by Beany man:
i think we are missing a few things.
Skaife: doesnt need to prove himself any more than he has for the past 5yrs! Always very fair, and he Owns the HRT team!
Skaife always fair? you are kidding me, he used to get away with murder due to his position as number 1 HRT driver, he was NEVER above a little nudge or swapping paint but used to ***** long and hard if someone dared do it to him
i think we are missing a few things.
Skaife: doesnt need to prove himself any more than he has for the past 5yrs! Always very fair, and he Owns the HRT team!
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show a bit of maturity please
[ December 02, 2003, 11:56: Message edited by: nemesis ]
show a bit of maturity please
[ December 02, 2003, 11:56: Message edited by: nemesis ]
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Originally posted by superVT:
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yeah... [qb][/qb]
[ December 02, 2003, 11:57: Message edited by: nemesis ]
um superVT,
all drivers take and give a little paint and nudge its all part of it in most races
hee hee, they should back to the 2 litres, and get some real cars, not this 'australian muscle' land barge crap Maybe then he coulda handled it
That said, ingall is known as the enforcer, he used to take ford drivers out all the time when he was holden's lil b!tch.
Get over it ladies.
**** happens in racing, and getting agro over it dont help.
It sux that it happened to skaife...but he is lucky enough to have 5000 new cars ready for him, unlike the back runners who get taken out every race and no1 mentions that they were taken out.
[ December 02, 2003, 12:56: Message edited by: exup ]
That said, ingall is known as the enforcer, he used to take ford drivers out all the time when he was holden's lil b!tch.
Get over it ladies.
**** happens in racing, and getting agro over it dont help.
It sux that it happened to skaife...but he is lucky enough to have 5000 new cars ready for him, unlike the back runners who get taken out every race and no1 mentions that they were taken out.
[ December 02, 2003, 12:56: Message edited by: exup ]
That's because half of the back markers can't drive on a racetrack to save themselves. OK, so they are obviously pretty handy behind a steering wheel, but put them in a race situation and they go crazy! I have watched most rounds this year and some of the moves attempted by some of the backmarkers were not only ambitious in some cases had a negative impact on the race, ie by taking out a front runner.
I think that currently the V8 grid is over-prescribed, that is, there are too many cars. Narrow the field down and make it less expensive for teams so that they can put more money into development so that we can have closer races, that would be more exciting for fans IMO.
If I had a reasonable amount of money I wouldn't race V8's, I head straight for the Super Tourers! Now there are some cars! If only we had a series such as the DTM in Europe!
Cheers...Mitch
I think that currently the V8 grid is over-prescribed, that is, there are too many cars. Narrow the field down and make it less expensive for teams so that they can put more money into development so that we can have closer races, that would be more exciting for fans IMO.
If I had a reasonable amount of money I wouldn't race V8's, I head straight for the Super Tourers! Now there are some cars! If only we had a series such as the DTM in Europe!
Cheers...Mitch
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Originally posted by KraSE:
does that make our famous news readers guilty for showing it to our children over TV ??quote:
Originally posted by Trough Lolly:
[b]quote:
Originally posted by Phat 33:
[b]I see how many children idolise these people, including Shane Warne and a string of other high profile people who keep acting like babies.
i think ppl need to stop blaming others and start looking near home base for once..[/b]
I agree 100%
someone needs to take the blame not pass the buck..[/b]
How can you say that? If it never was to have happened the wouldnt be any footage to show. Re-read my whole post. Clearly, nobody is perfect, but these people accept as their job as 'professionals' that they are an entertainment and in the lime light! The need to show more maturatiy than the average mortal being.
Agreed the family unit is vital in the rearing of a sucessful childhood, however, the influence of the media and our high profile sports people / actors etc. influence children greatly.
Anyways Re-read the other posts they explain it better.
Well according to CAMS they are BOTH tools, which from what I have heard/seen I agree with.
Linkage:http://www.cams.com.au/content.asp?PageID=...le&ObjectID=299
Summary:
Skaife - 105 points and $10,000. Also given a 3 event suspension, although it is suspended.
Ingall - 70 points and $15,000. Same suspension deal.
Both plan to appeal.
Linkage:http://www.cams.com.au/content.asp?PageID=...le&ObjectID=299
Summary:
Skaife - 105 points and $10,000. Also given a 3 event suspension, although it is suspended.
Ingall - 70 points and $15,000. Same suspension deal.
Both plan to appeal.
*chuckle* anyone know where i can download the incident? i want to see it again.
i WANT to see it; as yet I haven't had a chance to review the footage and I don't think that I'm going to get the chance either
I'll just have to play it all out in my head; people's description of the incident make it pretty clear in my mind what happened
Cheers...Mitch
I'll just have to play it all out in my head; people's description of the incident make it pretty clear in my mind what happened
Cheers...Mitch
Did they tell you the part where skaife pulled off his race suit due to his imense frustration causeing too much heat, only to reveal his Ford shirt underneath?
Cause that is a vital bit of information that people may have left out.
Cause that is a vital bit of information that people may have left out.
i think this thread should be closed before it goes any further. We can all agree to disagree with what happened.
Pretty simple:
Small racing incident occured (as it does 100's of times per race, all year), both drivers acted like d!ckheads afterwards. Both drivers cop nasty fines.
Small racing incident occured (as it does 100's of times per race, all year), both drivers acted like d!ckheads afterwards. Both drivers cop nasty fines.
personally i think the real reason for ingalls fine was cos he gave skaife a legit reason to have another whinge, and the reason skaife got fined..... well..... with all the b|tching he does, who wouldnt want to?
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