Hi peoples after much reading and discussion I am really having trouble deciding what subwoofer setup to go with.

Previously I have used a 12" Alpine Type R sub with good success.

The system I will be using is as follows:

Headunit Alpine IVA-310E
Equaliser Alpine MDA-5458
Front Stage Dynaudio System 340
Front Amp Alpine MRV-F540
Sub Amps Alpine MRD-M1001 x 2


Now I was planning to use 2 x 10" subwoofers for my primarly SQ system. I have listened to many setups and have really found it hard to decide what is going to sound the best.

I listen to a wide variety of music and like the bottom end extension of a 12" driver but am enthralled at the punchiness of 2 x 10" drivers.

Obviously the 2 sub amps are capable of 1000WRMS each so they should be powered sufficently.

So ported, sealed, bandpass hmmmm so many decisions, the car is a 2005 Toyota Corolla hatchback so if anyone has any input or ideas would be great.

Current Ideas are:

2 x 10" Alpine Type X
2 x 10" DD 2510D
2 x 10" IDMAX
2 x 10" JL Audio unsure of model but i think its the W7 series

IDMAX or possible Oz Audio Matrix, Rainbow Amboss

i got a single 12in OZ matrix and it is punchy as all hell (way more than my boston pro 10.5 was) and play's as low as you want.
and off only 500wrms rock's the crapper out of my car. (and blends in nicely with my 6.5in mids)

The Adelaide Pro Sound demo car will feature two of the OZ Audio Matrix series woofers.

I had the pleasure to listen to the difference between the OZ and the Rainbow Amboss, in a sealed and ported environment and basically the conclusion is they are both beautiful sounding woofers.

The Amboss is slightly more efficient in the boxes we used, they both play nice and loud and TIGHT but i have to say the Amboss was my pick, personally due to the fact that it played every note very accurately. They both played very low because we had the LPF on 50hz at one stage and both woofers still rocked the car and it is a big VRX Magna which has been fully deadened.

I did a EVO 9 and a Toyota Celica with a 2512 and i must say, even though people talk about DD mainly being targeted towards the SPL scene, now that i have had a chance to play with them i can say they can play just as accurately as the woofers above, the only downfall is they dont really like a sealed box, so if box size is a problem then perhaps this is not the driver to be looking towards.

Anyway once i install the Matrix splits and woofers which should be done by the end of next week, i will have a better opinion on the OZ Audio woofers, in a pure SQ environment.



George
Adelaide Pro Sound

Thanks George for your input its always such a terrible decision when u can have access to soo many good drivers. Its interesting to note that you rate the DD subs as accurate in the SQ department as at the moment Ive only heard them in a car setup for SPL, however one could argue with my 2 x MRD-M1001's for the subs I am giving them SPL power.

Ive always been under the impression that u cant have too much power for the dynamics in music so thats been the way I looked at the system. I did forget to mention before that the car has been extensively sound deadened with 2 x Dynamat Bulk kits been used.

As for your mentioned woofers of OZ audio + Rainbow I havent heard them yet so hopefully I can hear some at the next CAA event next weekend

not to hijack the thread but on the case of rainbow subs, has anyone listened to the profi and the vanadium subs?

i've listened to many of rainbow splits but never had the opportunity to listen to their subs

Yes i have a Vanadium in the shop which we gave a good test and listening to on our Mitsubishi club meet day. Absolutely beautiful woofers.

I am not trying to be biased Stimulate. I dont comment on a product unless i have used it. The DD's did play accurately and i have a good result with the product after a properly built and designed subbox.

Up untill a few months ago the only experience i had was DD in SPL format, but since the shop opened i have utilised them in some awesome sounding systems.

Like i said they need to be in good boxes.


George
Adelaide Pro Sound

I have a vanadium .. it's swoit

so how does the vanadium compare to the amboss and the m.e. george?

can someone post me a pic of some of these subs

Here you go.

First pic is the Rainbow Hammer. Second is also the hammer compared to the ME.

The others are the ME and the Vanadium.

Difference between Hammer and Vanadium, well the charaterstics are similar, very precise accurate woofers. They dont accentuate the bass note, they only play the information that is given to them. They are very very efficient and dont require a lot of power to get loud. Very natural sounding.

The Vanadium just does it slightly better than the Amboss.


George
Adelaide Pro Sound

Whoa! Didnt realise the Oz was so deep.

mmm thats a visual orgasmic feast with the pics of the subs

Somebody should post the picture of their sub and sticky it . ME look a lot like IDMAX

and the ME basket looks like the rainbow basket next to it.

the ME's magnet looks similer to the Max, the cone is different and surround is slightly different.

the oz looks like a idmax v1

i can say that a sinlge jl 13w7 is just amazing but the dual 1.5ohm load wouldnt suit your amps. Ive been told that the 8w7 is of superior design to all the other w7 series. This might be a very good choice and extremely compact.The w7 series are amazing but they are not for everyone they do have a distinctive sound. Reminds me of the kicker round solobaric subs with sooo much more ouput.

i dont think you really can go wrong with any of these top brand subs. The progression in the last 10years in subs has been amazing. Power handling, linear travel, distortion reduction has increased dramatically.

The Rainbow basket might look similar but its NOT.

The Oz Audio has 8 screw holes the Rainbow has 6, also outer rim of the basket is different shape to the OZ Audio, if you have a look you will see the OZ can be mounted inverted whereas the Rainbow cant.

George
Adelaide Pro Sound

i was one of the first in aust to play with one of the v1's (icebreakers) and there not much different to the v3's. cone is different, thats all.

send it up here rob for a demo

the ME or the V1? the v1 is long gone.

and ask Brian for a ME, he is the new sales man.

the ME

Yeh brian said he was gonna hook me up with 6 of them.

Generous lad he is.

adelaide car audio shop, just wondering why you pictured the lower end Hammer sub in place of the Amboss? Not that i'm complaining - the Hammer's are one of our best selling cheaper subs, and blitz pretty much anything else at the price IMO When you can install a pair of Profi Vanadium 4"s into the factory locations on a 230E Merc, and add a Hammer 10" in a decent box, and physically find it difficult to hear where the speakers transition to the sub, without any EQ or processing at all, and you know its some very nice gear indeed.

And for anyone whose interested, heres a couple pics of the Vanadium 10"

Thats because i sold the Amboss a couple of days prior Blackrazor .

So i couldnt take any photos of it sorry champ.


George
Adelaide Pro Sound

To me!

I can also concur that both the Amboss and the Oz Audio Matrix Elite subwoofers are excellent. I agree with George's comments as the tests were done in my car, and George, it's a Ralliart, not VRX! hehehe.

On a serious note you can't go wrong with the above subs..

Greg

Well sorry its a Magna with a wing .


Only kidding


George
Adelaide Pro Sound

Either that or the Sub sounds like a 4"

That sub looks like the s.e.x. in a can! I havent finished my current setup, and I already know what Im upgrading to for the next round!!

if your talking about the vanadium yes it is sex in a can very nice indeed

Oh is that all you gona say Ricky .

I think you were mighty impressed with the setup of those splits though considering there was no processing and the eq was flat .


George
Adelaide Pro Sound

I didn't say anything...

hey now lets not get personal here, you know i loved em, haha, hey I even told the missus watt i did last night and im still alive i think thats an achievement in itself, now i just have to hold myself over till i get my new speaks

ROFL.



George
Adelaide Pro Sound

Its driving me nuts at the moment having all my stereo gear and I dont have the equipment facilities to put it together.

What do people think of the Alpine Type X subwoofers?? are they a good SQ/SPL tradeoff???

Has anyone heard the Rainbow Profi Sub? And how much are the Rainbow subs anyhow?

Havent heard the profi but i have heard the Hammer, Amboss and Vanadium.

They are $475, $625 and $805 respectively. Also the Profi 12 is $770.


George
Adelaide Pro Sound

type x are apparently very nice sq but not big spl competitors with thier low sensitivity but hell shoot enough power thru it and it will do watt u want.

and watt u doing laughing at me george fella survives and u laugh at him

go the rainbow subs tis paul, cant regret it

I wasnt laughing at you Killa i was laughing with you .



George
Adelaide Pro Sound