hey guys

i am looking at getting an alpine type x 10. its been offered as a swap for something i am selling.

just wondering how much power i would need for it to hit hard and sound good??

i am not a spl fan and i dont have room for a big box for it. so its prob going to be in a sealed enclosure.

would it be suited to this at all??

sorry for all the questions but i am new to this game and just dont want to make the wrong descions on what to get and how much\ wat to power it with.

any other options sub wise i should look at?? bearing in mind the most likely sealed box??

thanks

mike

The alpine 600w will do just fine. I think the new PDX amps are starting to get a great reputation. Might pay to check them out. Also, might pay to wait until someone that actually knows what they're talking about replies. As you can see from my signature, im a little biased towards Alpine...hehe

Woody

the type x, from my own personal experience, is very very ineffiecient, give it as much as you can, i would suggest up to 1500 but be carefull with gains... i had a 12...

Up to 1500W??? Are you on drugs???

I'll be the first one to admit that i'm not great with the technical side of things but your recommending that he puts more power into his type-x 10" than i have seen ANYONE put into their 12's???? Not only does that not make sense, to me it sounds pretty stupid.

God, i'm putting 1000W into each of mine and they absolutely hammer!!

Maybe you need to find out why your sub seemed inefficient when everybody else who uses type-x subs seems completely satisfied with them.

Mike,

As i said in the original post, wait till someone who knows what they're talking about replies. Someone along the lines of Stooge or Shiny.

Woody

Anything around its power handling will go well. So thats 1000rms. But in saying that, anything over say... 500rms should make it move quite well.

I originally ran mine at 650rms and it was great.

The answer is always "how much can you afford"?

A bigger amp running at half it's potential will always sound better than a little amp working it's guts out.

Phil

100% agree with Phil, the term 'headroom' comes to mind. A nice beefy 1500RMS monoblock with the gains turned down a little would be the way to go IMO.

i accept your comment as gracefully as i can woody, and thank you....

i admit that i may not know everything and i even accept your comment of me being stupid...

again thank you...

now, are BLAKEY and PHIL stupid too???

how game are you kiddo???

ps. i sold my type x 12 for the DD 9915,


GOT GLASS WOODY???

now back off, or ill burp

So many hostility in the forum lately...

Reza, there's no hostility... just friendly arguing with lots of misconstrued statements...

For example, Caydin says he accepts my comment about him being stupid. When, in actual fact, if you read my post i say that his suggestion sounds stupid. Not a shot at his own intellect but a shot at his suggestion. I think thats fair as i don't know him personally and it would be completely out of place to call him a dumbass. But as we all put opinions up, they are free game to comment on as we see fit....

That being said, Caydin, you say that the type-x is very inefficient from your experience. Would you like to clarify just how much testing you did on various 12" subs to come to that conclusion??? I'm not trying to say that your wrong but you can understand why some would have alot of doubt as to the reasons behind your comments.

And you might want to be careful about calling people "kiddo". Especially as your only 20. Most people older than yourself would probably take offense to that. Just a friendly tip.

I won't argue with Phil as he's been doing this a lot longer than i have. Some even think he knows what he's talking about.....

Oh, and burp all you want. I did it on sunday at GCAS db Drags and it was great fun....


Woody

exactly, simply friendly discusion...

now i apologise for calling u kiddo woody...

i did a back to back with my old X and a 3512,

the 35 sounded better, went lower and louder, and thats in the box that was made for the X...

by ineffienct i was being literal, how well the sub uses power, the type x has an amazingly stiff cone, but at the cost of weight, it also has heavy dual spiders, the 35 definitely went louder, and IMO the more efficient a sub is the more u get out of the power you give it...

great subs, great company (alpine) just didnt suit me...

1500 wats easy, mine was screaming for more...

as i said just easy on the gains...

no hard fealings ay woody???

wot did u burp??

The subs are rated at 1000W Nominal and 3000W Max.

I always suggest running as close to or above the Nominal rating as possible,

so if you can get 1000W or more, thats great. otherwise if not, it's still gonna work,
you just might not achieve the results alpine expect you to.
there is very little audible difference between say 700w and 1000w,
the difference is more that the amp just doesn't need to work so hard to achieve the desired results.
so potentially, it can sound nicer. doesn't mean it will or won't tho.

Juls

As mentioned, buy as much good quality as you can afford but just because a certain amp is capable of a particular output doesn't mean that you should run that much into the driver on the end of it.
Good headroom through ample reserves of power is going to make things perform better and longer than a smaller amp struggling for all it's worth.

It's not a complex issue really if you understand the basics.

Now we know you're a liar.

Everyone knows DD woofers sound like crap.

Phil

well you got me phil...

like i always say, overbuilt, overglued, overeingineered, under priced, and built like a russian tank,

and all this so they can sound crap....

but like i said before....

anyone got glass???

TOTAL WORLD DOMINATION MWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!

Another thread turned DD SPL. This time in the SQ forum.

sorry for having some harmless fun brady.....


"HERE YE HERE YE......


the new CAA law stipulates, that no man or woman born of womb, may use the word digital in the same sentence as designs, the letters DD may not be said together, ever, under no circumstances, and everyone must totally disregard the affore mentioned brand of loudspeaker and amplier....

failure to comply will render you liable to public stoning, and getting kicked in the genital area....

i repeat no DD ever or you will be outlawed, and exiled"

DD notoriously loud

You're not allowed to have fun, this is the SQ forum.

No running, no talking and remember your cardigan........

Phil

PS: That was a joke in case you don't realise.

oh fine, ill be quite then phil....

*grabs dolls and heads for grandmas house*

thats right back into the spl forum with ye fakers of the sq variety.

Can we getter a bigger wall built over here,

and I agree give it bulk power if u can but without a doubt u will be able to run it on less than its specified

Will the sub be any good in a sealed box?? i dont have room for a massive ported box.

it will have less output but yeah im reasonably sure that type x's deliver the goods in a sealed box

gawd, the people i fool.

if you're not into SPL for the sake of loudness, then i would agree that the alpine MRD-M605 would be quite suitable. yes, the type-X is renowned for being inefficient; but if you're not trying to hit 138dB then you don't need 1000WRMS either.

the best advice so far has been to buy the best quality vs power ratio amp you can afford. to me, this doesn't mean buying a jaycar 1500WRMS monobloc for the sake of 1500WRMS, nor a class A tube amp with 30WRMS that otherwise sounds superb. if you can afford a quality monobloc with 500~1000WRMS @ 2ohm on tap, that should be perfectly fine: alpine, digital designs, phoenix gold xenon, JL audio / series, audison LRx or VRx, boston acoustics (dual mono), eclipse, etc.

i general suggest spendin 1~2x the value of the sub on your subamp to get good value and performance.

Yeah mate thats what i was told, apparently SONY XPLOD is the way to go .


I cant beleive people actually think Shiny knows what he is talking about.

I remember reading his above post in a book, so he must have scanned it and posted it up to make himself look intelligent . You know his secrect, he prowls the forums asks questions and then pastes the answer on CAA, but has no real world experience just a nice sounding car so i heard .

JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



George
Adelaide Pro Sound