Sir-Psycho-Sexy
Jun 9 2006, 05:04 PM
For months I've had my speakers in my room at opposite sides of the room, thinking this was cool for when i was in bed. Things have changed, now both speaker boxs (2 woofer's and a tweeter in each, ported box) sit on my desk firing from my front left and front right.
This sounds so awsome 1 because they are time alligned pretty much perfectly, 2 because of the wide sound stage. Listening to it I can clearly hear where the instruments are coming from (guitar and vocals centre stage and other instruments set to either side) and 3 all the speakers are placed at eye level.
Now I enjoy listening to music on a whole new level and aim to improve the sound stage in my car.
So now what other element's do i need to improve in improving the sound stage and or general quality of sound?
P.S. I'm just waing for the "Great story hansel" comment
Dogo
Jun 9 2006, 05:26 PM
are u asking in regards to car or home ?
in car the best way to get a good stage is to spend a lot of time adjusting the position and angle of the speakers. Move them around, have a listen, move them again, have a listen, and so on until u find what sounds right for your car. There's no strict rule as to what sounds best.
It seems that often a good stage comes from speakers in the kick panels in the drivers foot wells. Some people find this lowers the stage but with careful angling or some ambient tweets, its usually possible to raise it.
mine are in the kicks, angled approximately at the opposite headrest. The sound floats right in the middle of my dash, about level with the bottom of the windscreen.
And avoid rear speakers ( or at least have them very very low to barely audible up front ) - they'll mess up the staging.
Pulse-R
Jun 10 2006, 12:05 PM
depending on the speakers, the EQ might need trimming a little - you can get equaliser plugins for the PC to work with media player, or Winamp, or whatever - worth a try to improve sound.
DeeCee
Jun 10 2006, 01:07 PM
pics or it didn't happen

as to the soundstage.. i'd look at processing and using equalisation to strengthen localisation of particular instruments and frequencies.
Adding reverb will also create better placement of instruments
s_tim_ulate
Jun 10 2006, 01:31 PM
adding reverb?? Care to explain?
Use as little processing as possible. Keep it simple and install your gear well, then after you're done with the 'physical' aspects you can move onto the processing to iron out little problems.
ProClass
Jun 10 2006, 03:05 PM
While driver placement is worth taking time to get right, the acoustic properties of a car makes this very difficult, time consuming and expensive.
I tend to resolve speaker placment locations with a combination of elements. For most, the look is most important. Then I try to ensure the air volume behind the driver is large enough to not over effect the drivers response curve and finally, the angle the speaker is on. With many speakers, off axis response is more linear than on-axis. I know everyone will say BS but we are talking about a car here not a house.
Improving stage is achieved by altering electrical phase and cross over points. This works very well if you are employing a passive net VS an active cross over.
Minor changes in cross over point in a passive net results in major shifts in phase. If you try/fail long enough you will stumble on the right combination which suits your cars acoustics.
Cheers
Kev
Jun 12 2006, 07:14 PM
QUOTE (HYP03L @ Jun 9 2006, 07:04 AM)

P.S. I'm just waing for the "Great story hansel" comment
Here you go:

Thats great
"There must be a reason why everyone else has their speakers set up different too me

"
AT the end of the day if it sounds good to you thats all that matters. Buy a guitar find some mates with some drums and stuff and play in a band or even just hear them all blarring at once, it will change your idea of 'SQ'.
Sir-Psycho-Sexy
Jun 14 2006, 07:06 PM
QUOTE (DeeCee @ Jun 10 2006, 01:07 PM)

pics or it didn't happen

as to the soundstage.. i'd look at processing and using equalisation to strengthen localisation of particular instruments and frequencies.
Adding reverb will also create better placement of instruments
haha, I don't have a digital camera. I could draw it up on paint if you got desperate
QUOTE (Kev @ Jun 12 2006, 07:14 PM)

Here you go:

Thats great
"There must be a reason why everyone else has their speakers set up different too me

"
AT the end of the day if it sounds good to you thats all that matters. Buy a guitar find some mates with some drums and stuff and play in a band or even just hear them all blarring at once, it will change your idea of 'SQ'.
I have a piano, bass guitar and acoustic guitar. I am in a band (that needs to jam a whole lot more) that is actually in need of a drummer.
but we are getting there
zion187reigneth
Jun 18 2006, 06:40 PM
QUOTE (HYP03L @ Jun 9 2006, 05:04 PM)

For months I've had my speakers in my room at opposite sides of the room, thinking this was cool for when i was in bed. Things have changed, now both speaker boxs (2 woofer's and a tweeter in each, ported box) sit on my desk firing from my front left and front right.
This sounds so awsome 1 because they are time alligned pretty much perfectly, 2 because of the wide sound stage. Listening to it I can clearly hear where the instruments are coming from (guitar and vocals centre stage and other instruments set to either side) and 3 all the speakers are placed at eye level.
Now I enjoy listening to music on a whole new level and aim to improve the sound stage in my car.
So now what other element's do i need to improve in improving the sound stage and or general quality of sound?
P.S. I'm just waing for the "Great story hansel" comment
good work hyp with all this experimenting and listening to techa's like pusle -r and others , thats when practical knowledge and theoretical knowledge blend.........zion
Timm3h
Jun 19 2006, 07:39 AM
QUOTE (s_tim_ulate @ Jun 10 2006, 01:31 PM)

adding reverb?? Care to explain?
Use as little processing as possible. Keep it simple and install your gear well, then after you're done with the 'physical' aspects you can move onto the processing to iron out little problems.
I agree. I can say from experience, having the processor turned
ON on my head unit, especially when I upgraded the other components, was a BAD idea.
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