I had always wanted to try some 6x9s on the Termlab.

This afternoon I dropped a pair in an old 1.3 cubic foot box, with a slot tuned to 45Hz.

They were powered by a pair of strapped Fusion monos, meant to do over 2000Wrms.

Here's what we got at 55Hz:



I couldn't beleive it, it really makes me want to do some serious testing and get into the 140s.

The next question is, can you run a pair of 6x9s in Street A?

Phil

phil u are one crazy fella

on realmofexcursion theres guys who done like 169.2db on TL with 6x9s

heres a link to the VIDEO - http://realmofexcursion.com/videos/Various/6x9.1.wmv

Neat score, what kind of car is that?

One of the new colts.

So, u should be doing low 140s by the time I get down there tomorrow:)

If only I had time to spare for testing...........

Phil

Darryl (KAL SPL) did 142.6 on AC with 500RMS in a sedan ..

I'd be surprised if they ruled against the use of 2 x 6x9's, seeing as though the square and pentagonal ones are allowed.
I can't remember seeing anything in the rules against it.

Wouldn't it be awesome to turn up at a comp with 6x9's, and strapped SS1's and take out Street A?
Not in the larger comps on the mainland, but it would go damn close in Tassie.

That would shut some traps

Hmmm..... maybe in the ol' Mighty Boy

Hmm, its got me thinking now i got a set of kenwood 7x10s in teh garage, and the day off tomorrow..... ill keep ya guys posted if i actualyl get outta bed, might have a sleep in for once !

what class would that throw me in

2x kenwood 7x10s in ported box, with 1x 1500w amp and 1 battery?

I remember the 1st time i went to an SPL comp in QLD (Harry's in Feb 2006) and i was allowed to do a "craps n giggles" run with my car before i had subs.

just off two 6x9's running from a 45wx4 HU (no amps) i did a 117.8

im curious to know what i could get with an amp hooked up to them aswell...

Street A (given everything else is up to scratch as well).
Again, if they accept them.

Bring it , I still have them in the cupboard
When we get bored with them I also have a pair of 6.5" of the same series just begging to be burped

didn't the total recoil 6x9's pull 140's???

- Stooge007 out

Old meter.

Phil

yeh i'm keen to go you on this phil.
ages ago... about 2 years now i did some tests with 1 $19 6x9 we did a 130.61 in a sedan off 400wrms.
always wanted to see what i could do with a hatch and more power!
good score there... i might bust out my pair of 6x9's out and get a reading...
ps: i don't think i see boot carpet there phil... i dunno if thats a legal score... hahahaa

2 dB more Phil and it will be 140 dB come on!! I have OEM 6x9s from camry sitting down in my cup board, I was wondering if they like to be burped

yeah but that was with like 10 of em

140 yet Phil?

What's this 140. Let make it interesting and go for 150. Didn't Jensen bring out some 600WRMS 6x9 years ago?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA jensen.......

more like 2wrms

i just find this thread funny because i always recommend 6x9's when people want good bass and also music in there cars at a budget and then people always say nah get a cheap sub it will out perform 6x9's....mediocre 6x9's in a hatchback car have good bass and there cheap, fullstop...

so all the haters dont underestimate them!!!!

6x9's are still crap for bass output if you running a sub.. only reason you get good scores out of them is because they are put in a sub box enclosure and used as a sub. with an amp hooked up to it... hardly cheap...

This was a pair of our 8kg, $349 DD 6x9s, running around 2000Wrms, a box, playing a single note.

For both music and SPL capability, our $229 512 12" woofer would destroy them!

Even very, very good 6x9s can't mix it with a woofer.

Phil

Well...... have we seen 140 yet?

woofers need a box and an amp for the price 6x9's cannot be beaten for bass...

Keep telling yourself that champ..

For muddy sounding midbass?

My opinion is anywhere u can mount a 6 x 9 you can mount a 10" sub.

A 6 x 9 aint going to produce any bass just sitting on the back seat. Its still got to be enclosed. (whether it be box or parcel tray) Just like a sub.

ok buddy like seriously for $140 you couldnt get better midbass from splits or bass....



midbass is midbass if it hits and it is clean then like wtf is the difference between splits midbass and 6x9's midbass, plus 6x9's can go deeper anyway so theres no competition between the two if your looking at it from a purely bang for your buck perspective....



i had sony 6x9's sitting in a box underneath my parcel shelf in the boot running off headunit power and the bass shook my mirrors so i dont know if you guys have ever experienced some good bassy 6x9's or whether your just passing on information that you have heard on this site...

i think for the money 6x9's cannot be beat for bass....

*gets out the popcorn*

i guess i may as well ask too, progress phil?

What are the DD 6x9's rated at taking?

Holy shiat ... I wish I had read this blokes name before hand .. "Alpine state of mind" .. need I say more.




I bought a set of MB Quart 6.5" splits for the bargain price of $100 last year from a second hand store that didnt know any better and they shiit all over any 6x9/7x10s i've ever heard.. That woud leave $40 left over for materials to seal the door .. So thats better midbass with much higher quality, for less than your fully sick 6x9s..

Your not going to convert people from subs by saying "6x9s are the best .. my mirrors were viabrating and all i had is 6x9s off the deck .." because it doesnt matter what you say, 6x9s are crap. Sure.. they serve a purpose, they are a good budget option for average joe who wants a fully sick stereo for $150.. (read: you) .. But everyone else knows they are crap and avoids them.

Preaching 6x9s are better than subs, to people who already have subs and chose them for a reason is moronic.. Quit while your ahead.. Or go work a Trashfeild (or do you aready?!)

6x9s or any oval speakers can sound as cood as any other coaxial or split component speakers - installation is the key. One of the best cars i ever heard for a car with fronts and a sub of a single 4 channel amp was a car that had a set of PPI 6x9s mounted and angled in pods on deadened and sealed doors and a single 10" free air (i think it was a pioneer from memory) sub. It went loud and had plenty of midbass that was tight probably could have benefitted from prehaps a 4" midrange driver to help with linearity. But still this system impressed me and it looked porno in an early cortina.

It can be done it requires thought and effort and doing it properlly is rarely done most people put 6x9s on the parcel shelf and as such they sound like bum

1st off you were saying subs need a BOX, (making it sound like 6x9's don't need a box)
now your saying you had your 6x9's in a box.
Make up your mind.

the gear i have running in my car was collected by fate if i could choose my gear all over again i probably wouldnt own anything that i have at the present, it just happens by chance that i have all alpine, and because i do i made my user name up accordingly....



you said yourself you got an absolute bargain but most people wouldnt be able to find a deal like this, but seriously remix a 6x9's has more cone area, hence more midbass and bass, that is all i was getting at, i wasnt talking about sound quality....fully sick or not the 6x9's in the door properly sealed would have more midbass its just a fact...



ok buddy, if you havent noticed i run a sub i like my sub and 6x9's cant produce bass like a sub....fullstop....but i had to pay for a box, a mono amp, cabling and then installation....so yes subs produce much better bass but at a PRICE and thats all i was getting at....i still think that 6x9's are an awesome entry level CHEAP way to get bass in your car and if you dont agree then thats fine im not going to force my agenda on you..



6x9's on the rearshelf of a hatchback dont need a box and they go hard...i had mine in a box because my rear shelf was to skinny but the design and construction of this box was nothing compared to what goes into a sub box...i literally measured the space under my rear shelf and made a box accordingly...

Bullcrap.
Its a well known fact that oval speakers have more distortion than similarly sized "circular" speakers. How many oval speakers do you see in high-end home audio? Practically zero, for a damn good reason.



Simply because your ears arent well trained, doesnt mean the midbass is "Clean". quite the opposite. 6x9"S, especially of a HU, have all sorts of horrible distortion that can sound like "fully sik" bass to a uneducated ear, which probably suits rnb/dance music just fine. Anything else....they fall down.

You'll find also that *almost* ANY driver that tries to play both sub-bass and midbass at any high volume, let alone a easily warped, coaxial oval speaker (not much strength) will sound like bum.

rnb is what i predominantly listen to so thats probably why i think the 6x9's sound good....



high end home audio is in a completely different league to car audio....you cant make comparisons between the two because home audio sounds so much better for so much less....they dont need oval speakers with more cone area because they generally have no space restrictions like a car and so a midbass driver will often be 8inch or bigger....and a sub will often be 18 inch to play right down to 20hz and below

Really? go and find me a home-entertainment system with a 18inch sub, using 8inch midbass drivers. In fact, find me at least 10, if its so popular.
This is the politest way i can say this.
Go and do your research before you try and talk complete bullsh!t on these forums, because you will be called out.

Quid 2 words "KEF Concerto" or Kit 3

Basic understanding of engineering or structural ridgidness would have you understand that a circular cone is less prone to distortion however its distortion is unpredictable. A square, oval, pentagon or what ever what ever shapped driver is more prone to distortion but within design characteristics because its distortion patterns are more predictable due to load points (or stress points) high end speaker manufaturers can and do take these thinbgs into account therefore most oval shapped or square etc shapped drivers will actually have a shallower cone face.

The Kef concertos actually have a piece of polystyrine over the cone to give the cone face on the oval bass driver a completely flat face which works in conjunction with the large front baffle and concave rubber surround to give a smoother midbass/bass responce. ther reason most (if not all) tweeters and midrange drivers are circular is because the lack of TSA and Xmax in comparrison to a midbass or sub bass driver prevents this design from working. a circle is the most inefficient use of a baffle / cone area

Oh and Quid 18"s and 8"s is actually quite common in high end HT. Not so common place in HiFi how ever. 8" drivers are very much so common place in floor standers especially in a twin driver (or in the case of some Dalis a triple) driver setup. When used as single 8" driver per cabinet you usually find a sub complements the system where space isnt a premium people generally go for a larger driver because of the efficiency and the lack of current in 240v power to allow for high power output amplifiers (most people dont want to use switchmode PSU like we use in PA amps for there home systems)

I dont think that someone with your level of experiance and knowledge you should be speaking to other members with such contempt. My read of this thread has not seen this guy once say that a sub and splits combo is an inferior option to 6x9s mearly that 6x9s serve a purpose and many people that get a cheap sub and amp combo would have been better off getting a decent efficient set of 6x9s...

Read someones point of view rather than forcing your own uneducated POV on to people

ive ran outta pop corn, ill go get some more, but is this show going to keep going ?

Liquidity focals top of the range speaker Grande Utopia Be incorporates a 15inch woofer for its lowest frequencies, and 11inch woofer for its more mid bass frequencies and 6.5inch speakers for midrange...this is in one speaker enclosure there are also tweeters etc....i was researching home audio earlier this year and it is common place for tower speakers to incorporate multiple 8 inch drivers....also a lot of high end audio will utilise 15inch sub woofers or larger simply because they are trying to reach frequencies below 20hz accurately....if you still dont believe me pop over to CAA's sister site Planet Audio and express your opinions about how nobody uses 8 inch midbass drivers and 18inch subs and you will be 'politely' and i actually mean politely told without abuse that it is actually commonplace to feature these size of speakers in a home audio enthusiasts system....here are 10 subs that come in 18inch for home audio use

1)Yamaha Speaker - CW118V 18 Inch Cast Frame Driver, 1200 Watt, Bass Reflex Design, Steel Grilles
Part No: CW118V

2)Electrovoice Subwoofer - I-Sub 18-Inch High-Output, 400-Watts

3)Electrovoice Cabinet Speakers - Eliminator-KW Dual 18-Inch Woofers, 1000-Watts Continuous

4)Peavey QW 118 - 18 Inch Subwoofer

5)Peavey QW 218 Dual 18 Inch Subwoofer

6)Cabinet Speakers QW Series - 800 Watts, 18 Inch High-Powered Woofer, Lightweight Design

7)Cabinet Speakers QW Series - 1600 Watts, 18 Inch High-Powered Woofers, 16-Gauge Powder-Coated

8)Peavey Subwoofer - 00496010 8-Ohms, 18-Inch Lo Max, 2400-Watts High Performance

9)EAW Speakers - VRS18 - 18 Inch 2-Way Full Range Speaker 500 Watts - 90 x 60 Horn

10) DD 9918

and here are 10 8inch speakers that are used for home audio

1)Electrovoice Speaker -Sx80BE 8-Inch Woofer, 175-Watts, Neutrik Speakon Connector, 2-Way System

2)QSC Loudspeaker - AD-S282H Surface-Mount Two 8-In. LF Transducers 90°H x 60°V 2-Way - Paintable

3)Behringer Business Speakers CE1000P 300-Watt,8 Inch Woofers,High-Resolution Driver 2-Way System

4)Yamaha Cabinet Speaker - AS108II 280-Watts, 8 Inch Two-Way Acoustic Suspension System

5)TOA Speakers - F-505G 8 Inch, 240 Watts, Input Panel with Push Terminals, 2-Way System

6)Atlas Sound Loudspeaker - SM8CXT-B 8 In. Coax.

7)Samson Monitor - Auro 8 2-Way Playback Ported Cabinet 55W 8 In

8)Sony SS-MF750H 200 watts maximum input power 3-way, 4 driver floor-standing speaker Dual 8" bass driver, 3 1/4" mid driver, 1" dome tweeter

9) Mirage 350 8inch woofer

10) Focal Diva Be 2x8" W-type cone woofer, 1-1/2" double coil, 4-4/5" magnet, 6-1/2" W-type cone midrange, 1-1/2" coil, focus plug, "Power Flower™" magnet system (patent pending), Pure Beryllium inverted dome tweeter, 3/4" coil, "Focus Ring™" magnet system (patent pending)


theres 10 of each.... so SA assistant state rep how about an apology?

come on ppl
evryones entitled to their own opinion so stop arguin
evry threads becomin an argument soon we gonna have dr phil on here
lol

I think u mean Jerry Springer

hey 'Alpine state of mind' you wouldn't be 'skinny guy' by any chance?

Liquidity although you are normally very well informed and quite knowledgeable in this case you are very wrong, it is very unusual to find anything smaller then 15" subs in the serious setups, and 8" drivers are very popular for higher output towers generally ones designed for music more so then movies etc.. check this site very informative www.diyaudio.com

Luke

I thought we were talking about 6x9's??????

Yeah we got a little OT and I contributed to that, actually really OT considering this is the SPL forum LOL.

OT:









Uhhh, No, Majority of that gear isnt home gear, AFAIK EV dont make a single piece of home audio gear, neither does Peavy, or TOA, or QSC, or EAW.



You just listed a heap of Pro audio gear

I wasnt going to point out that people were using fairly isolated examples, whereas all i was saying is those examples are *not* the norm...but thanks ole.

*sighs* Perhaps i'm wrong about that cone distortion, i havent looked into it but i dont think you've got that quite right komoto. I cant see why an circular speaker cant be "re-inforced" like the oval ones to be able to predict distortion in the same way.

gee from a 6x9's for SPL thread, to argueing bout home theatre.

but my comment for 6x9's are there was a car in the states that ran 14 6x9's and did i think 168db so yeah can use 6x9's for SPL LOL

DD-VT might have a vid of it still on his comp. if he does im sure will post it up now. but yeah 168 from memory i think

If u ladies are going to argue about distortion and crap like that, go back to the SQ forum