Im still very keen to get a decent front stage for my car so I can enter the Amateur Street Vic CAASQ rounds.

I'm still thinking Alpine Type X's but am also opening my eyes out for Some Dyn 240GT's or Focal X2's.

Would a front stage consisting of any of the above speakers be able to score well or it is more about placement of woofer/tweeters?

Cheers

Just my personal preference (I've never entered my car into CAASQ), but if you're willing to spend around $800 on speakers, I'd concentrate 100% on what sounds good to you rather than potentailly pleasing judges. You're the one paying the cash, 99% of your listening will be away from CAASQ events.

That said, pretty much all speakers around that price range will sound pretty good, just a matter of finding which ones are ideal for your taste (I personally don't mind Rainbow speakers, but that's just me).

Whatever you decide to get (what sounds best to you), install them as well as possible (ie doors sealed and deadened, woofers angled, experiment with tweeters' position etc) and you'll not only have something with will make you happy, but also have a good chance of doing well in comps.

there's a discussion thread somewhere on the product vs install in regards to SQ

It it were my ears, I would choose the dyn or focal over the alpine X

I have rainbow splits and theyre verrrrrry nice

bottom line, dont skimp on the install quality.

good components with a good install will be scoring well in competition.
Average components with good install can score well.
Good components with crappy install wont.

the Dyn's and DLS Ultimate Pro's would be my best reccomendations at that budget.

Those DLS can go frightingly loud (150wrms) and are still sooooo warm.

I'd go for the dyns or maybe the focal, but not the alpines.

Again, I'd go Dyns or Focal (I have focals) but as the others said, INSTALL is more important than the slight differences between the two brands.

see my sig my speakers work well!

x2 for the oz cs180 splits.
very happy with mine

if yopu have four channels and two way active proccesing capabilities, my money would be spent on a pair of oz ME, or dyn woofers, and a pair of Vifa XT25 tweeters,


if AAA FUDD can make em sound good, anyone can....

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love your car rob, a win to the underdog...

WTF how the.... ahh bugger.

exactly what i siad rob, WTF how??? AAA batterry, H/U???? how????

I think people agree that to achieve a certain level of sound quality, you need to start with a solid base.

That base is good product.

Product can only be improved upon by install. You cannot improve a bad install with a good product, because you will often be surprised by 'bad' product in a great install which will make you wonder why you keep on buying more expensive gear but not changing your fabrication.

So you need two things - a reasonable budget for some quality equipment, and plenty of patience for installation and tuning to get the best from your product.

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well said ^^^^^^

Any of the speakers mentioned above have potential to score well, even win SQ comps

My flavour is Alpine Type X but the '06 season has seen first placings using both Dyn and Focal drivers. If you're wondering if those choices are up to the required pedigree for competition the answers a resounding yes.

Ultimately buy what suits your ears, but do remember you get what you pay for. It's impossible to make a pair of Sony splits sound like a pair of Dyns just by tuning alone.

Do whats done in all forms of peformance competition>

get hold of all the pro spec stuff the big teams are using and apply it with wisdom to your private agenda.......zion

Get what sounds good to you. It's an excellent start as your paying for it, you'd want to like it as well. No need to follow everyone else. Be an individual and try something different if you like it

I did and I love the result.

Everything sounds good , i picked up by his post that he wanted to go pro-spec , thats where testing and performance by champs shows that the speakers are tried and tested............zion

Bullsh!t Zion. Ive heard many setups that do well in SQ that do nothing for my tastes. This isnt a personal attack but I think the idea of copying other people's setups is pointless and a waste of money.

Ahh but the thread said SQ competition speakers =)

And this is why you audition as much as possible before you buy.

Agreed! I very quickly learnt what 'signature' sound I liked, and especially what I didn't. Just so happened that the one I didn't like won that round of CAASQ...

Go out and listen and I mean really listen to some good stereos. Each speaker and set of has different tonal characteristics and put a different signature on the music. Some have more attack than others, others may be a more delicate sound (I don't really know to explain the characteristics but I know what I like, but I know others can put the description into the music). You will quickly develop an opinion as to what sounds good to your ears, and that is what really matters in the end as it is your money. I absolutely love the Morel Supremo 6 set. Some of the best money I have ever spent. But I only went after these after demoing almost every set of speaker out there. I listened to Elate 6's with supremo, Supremo with discovery mid, Hertz Mille, Boston Pro's, Boston Z6's, Focal K2P's.... You get the idea. But most importantly, every set I listened to was installed very well with the most attention to detail that you can imagine. But one thing you learn quickly is that there is no right sound. Think of it this way, everyone has a favourite drink, some peoples will be the same, others will prefer something else. Do you copy them because they are good drinkers? No you choose it based on the taste. This is exactly the same as speakers, or anything in life. Don't be a sheep and do what makes you happy.

ESPECIALLY at those prices. Buying something you dont like the sound of with that sort of dough would turn me off CA for a long time!!

you all jumped the gun abit.
I never mentioned what team? .
My idea is supported by the fact that all performance engineering is done by test and tune , rework , remodel and every factor thats sorts a product out.
You wanna go to the top either use what they are using or find a product and test,tune,rework,remodel yourself.
Every top speaker that is worth a mention has been tried and tested?.
The dude who wants to know whats good generally scopes on what the others are doing before they move into their agenda.
The multi-national companies do and so does the dude next to your car when you score higher than him.
My idea applies to checking out multi-national companies aswell as what the nearest competitor has to offer.

Every idea has a foundation and the fact that all the speaker brands that are mentioned means that people have been tesing,tuning,proving and disproving.
Dont presume that all your words are not likened to mine in regards to instruction?.
And by the way many people have bought speakers that sounded good to them but under performance applications those speakers will fail.

Thats the whole point to this thread is that he is asking for advice on proven speakers as in SQ competion speakers...........zion

And after all that waffling, our response will still be the same. Buy the speaker you like the sound of.

Focal's have won many competitions with their drivers, but there aint no way Im ever gona get a pair. I just dont like the sound. The same goes for heaps of other speakers too. Boston, MB Quartz, Kenwood's reference line etc. etc. Ive heard 'em, I dont like 'em, I aint gona buy them. SQ Comp or not.

When I enter Comps, its going to be with the speakers that I love, that I tuned and that I am proud of.

Read my signature. Take note. There is no music without the passion. And you cant win anything without the music.

A waffle has no foundation.Tested and proven products negates waffling.
The thread is about asking others who know what sounds good and to be a guide for potencial SQ speakers.
Telling him to get what sounds good is a "waffle" in this instance............zion

Your "advice" is making my head hurt. If you researched, you find out that there is a lot of speakers that can work very well in an SQ setup. Despite what it sounds like you think (through the gibberish), SQ and sounding good for daily music use are not opposites. Its very easy to get good sounding speakers that have the ability to sound beautiful for SQ when needed.

What me and everyone else is trying to say, is that even though speakers like Focal, Dyn, Oz, Alpine etc win SQ comps, they might not suit everyone. Its a good thing the original poster has some common sense about him so that he will understand what the majority are trying to say.

So if I was you, Id stop trying to advise people to spend money on something they dont think sounds good. But if you want to waste your money, by all means...

where do you think gibberish comes from?
It comes from people that add details like>

Never once did i mention to buy average gear or gear that sounds bad.
I did however suggest through reason, that if a speaker is being used by those that need ultimate performance , then you can bet that those speakers would be good to look into , i never mentioned that after selecting potencial SQ speakers that its a great thing listening to them , but on the other hand if could afford some oz matrix splits i would snap them up and i havent even listened to them? > I dont have to add every detail .........zion

thier is no right or wrong answer...

i can understand zion, if dyns are winning iasca comps world wide, chances are they sound nice, look into them..

if you dont like the sound of dyns tho, only a fool would buy them to compete with 4 times a year, and listen to 365 times a year, when you hate the sound, but win the comps....

you need a good install and you need good speakers. having not as good speakers but a fantastic install really wont help alot.

the main points in CAASQ are in tonality. if your speakers car reproduce the music properly then there no good.
and it dont matter how well there installed it aint gunna help.

install will help with everything else.
my mid's sounded good when they were flat in the door but rebuilding the doors helped with my staging dramaticly.

buying hi-end speakers are only a part of the equation also, you also need to take in the rest of the stereo to make sure it all works together.

here here fudbutter
an sq install is a compilation of the equipment and install applied, for instance many speakers and amplifier compliment each other, with time, use, testing and tuning can someone build a quality system, not only to their liking but on the technical side be also a high sq syste,

As for the reason for this thread, i "Personally" use Dynaudio MKII splits as that is the sound that i enjoy myself (perhaps because i am using dynaudio speakers in my home system or just because i like the sound and quality they produce).
But in no way am i putting down other speakers, rainbows, Morel, Dali, Alpine type x, scanseak, vifa,

There are many brands out there with speaker with SQ product lines, as it has been said time and time again here just audition ones your like until u come to a decision, listen to other peoples cars, so that you can get an idea on how the installation/product equation go, find a car you love the sound of,
Its not bad to try and replicate someones install if you love the product because no matter wat you do someone else in Car audio has done it before,
At the end of the day i have an sq system because i love music, i appreciate the install, time, dollars, effort and most importantly the enjoyment i receive not only from listening to the end result, but also the journey of learning and friendships developed from sharing this love of audio reprodution.