hoping for around 1000wrms, $700 max, 12"

sq based....want tight responsive bass.....

dont want dd.....


options???

edit: 1000wrms not so nescesary, maybe 500 or 600 is more suitable...

im aware of all options in brady's post below, lookin for something a bit diff.....

G5
thematt's TDX
Oz Matrix
IDMAX

The usual suspects. You should know this by now, no?

1) i'm assuming thematt's TDX is selling second hand, because new they were well over $700. Also, if it's the 12, they are rated at 800w not 1,000.
2) The Oz Matrix no longer retails just over $700, and is rated at 700w
3) The G5 is rated at 450w, which is less then half of the requested 1,000
4) IDMAX retails for over $800, and is not currently available in Australia to my knowledge.

Not attacking you or anything, and im sure any of those subs would be loud enough for most people, but just wanted to clear those factors up

As far as i know, the only sub which meets the requested criteria, is an Alpine Type X, which is rated at 1,000w and costs $699.

I'd personally recommend ignoring the "1,000w" criteria if you are after a serious SQ sub, because anything above 500w rms is irrelevant for SQ purposes.

The only other option I see is to scan the second hand market.

I belive FHRX have a reconed IDMAX12 selling for $699.

yeah brady, i know all thpse, especially lookin at the tdx, im looking for something a litle different...i dont need pure sq, not entereing into pro show or anything like thati spose 1000wrms isnt necesary, so id say like, 500wrmsor 600wrms.....

Muzzy, its cool. But you know power handling isnt everything and loudness has virtually nothing to do with it. So I quietly ignored that bit. Ive a firm belief that you could pick up any sub in that range for under $700 if you tried.

Trism, want something different? See if you cant score a Focal 33KX for that money (RRP is $969). Ditto with a second hand/ex demo/just plain cheap Treo SSi maybe. Or maybe pester Marty for a Vibe sub audition, he raves about the Vibe gear. They are all out of the norm (albeit more exxy) subs that would leave you very happy.

the oz may only be rated at 700wrms but i had 5kw straped to mine to burp it and it was fine. (and then drove around for 2 weeks with the amp still on it and still at the same level haha)

daily i put 500wrms into it and it get's pretty loud.

Ahh, that makes things much easier

How about a Rainbow Amboss? A few people have the Vanadiums, but i'm yet to see a car with a Hammer or Amboss.

The Amboss is rated at 550w rms, and if they are like anything else Rainbow they sholud be built like a tank and sound fantastic.

Oz Matrix a few people have, but they are still fairly rare. Definately one I would consider !!

The high end DLS subs (UR12 I think) are said to be bloody good, and have around 500w power handling I think. There wouldn't be too many people around with those.

The Focal 33KX and Rainbow Vanadium are two of the nicest Sq subs around seemingly. However both are heavilly biased towards SQ at the sacrifice of SPL potential. that's not to say they are gutless (I know for a fact the Rainbow has some guts) but they wont likely hit any huge DB numbers if you ever want to impress your mates..

Any reason for not wanting DD? If good sq and loud is what you want, they may be just what you are after.

Alpine Type X again, is another option. I've heard good things about these, but if you want something 'different' then they are probably the last thing you'd want.

Vibe could be an option, but they dont realy have anythig in that price range i dont think, The Blackair is cheaper, and the Space is around $800 or thereabouts.

Umm who else....

Boston G5, Crossfire XT, JL Audio W6 (if you can find a second hand one),

Treo and Soundstream may have some good options as well?

The TDX I have heard running off some high quality gear and it didn't really impress me that much. wouldn't consider it on par with the Vanadium or IDMAX if that listening experience was anything to go by. Also graphed up pretty poorly whe I modelled them in BBP, however I don't like to base opinions purely on graphs and estimates, so I would like to hear another just to confirm before attacking their reputation for good.

1) The TDX will happily handle 1200 all day. I know this because this is what I feed my one with. Sure it’s a TDX10 but the 10 and 12 have a similar motor.
2) Like Foddbutter stated, the Matrix will handle a lot more power than it is rated at. However we must keep this in perspective. Any subwoofer will eventually fail.
3) The G5 running in Rosario’s Golf runs at 1250 and is quite often run flat out when demoing the subwoofer. A year later and I think we can safely stress somewhat less about the 450 watt rating.
4) You’re right. We have a re-coned one here (so the motor is new in other words).



Many SQ oriented subwoofers have massively strong motor and cone structures to keep cone flexing and physical distortion to a minimum during long excursions. The result is that they need titanic amounts of power (1000 watts for example) to keep the cone controlled and to keep the damping factor high.

Other subwoofers to look at for that budget (also include the ones mentioned in the posts above) include:

Treo TSx12 / SSi12 (depending on budget)
http://www.treoonline.com

Diamond D612 / D912 (depending on budget)
http://www.diamondaudio.com

Earthquake SZ12
http://www.earthquakesound.com

Vibe Space12
http://www.vibeaudio.com.au

Polk MM2124
http://www.polkaudio.com

Focal 33W
http://www.focal-fr.com

Crossfire XT212
http://www.crossfirecaraudio.com

Hertz HXS300
http://www.hertzaudiovideo.com



Really? You didn't like the TDX? Are you referring to that 12? Your enclosure would be somewhat different to his because he has different tastes.

mm, i was lookin at that earthquake...wish i hadda got it when it was on special

am i imaginiing things, or shiny used polk in his previous ar didnt he??

yeh i remember one of his installs with polk gear...

The Hertz Mille's subs are just around the corner or something aren't they?

I don't know the specs or practically anything about them, but maybe someone else does?

Shiny did have a polk momo sub years ago then i think then DA and now the IDmax.

putting bassmechanic's on in his car with the polk was funny good SQ sub, not alot of output.

adire audio ?

ok well im not sure what model u could get for this amount but they are quite rare... also RE... JBL Wgti series... DLS....

ive already investigated RE....i had one lined up, but the owner decided he wanted to keep it and play with it a bit more.....other than that, no way that anyone else will sell it, and importing one is biiiig $$$

ive got my eye on the Earthquake SubZero atm.........still a bit open tho...

my Pioneer TS-W12PRS sounds nice, 300W @ 92dB/W/m

They're here in a few weeks yes. We actually have one of the forward batch (ML3000) in one of our cars. It was at the sound off over the weekend. Everyone who jumped in and had a good listen was quite impressed by both it's control and how low it goes. We haven't driven it to extreme's yet so I cannot report on what they handle before they fail (either thermally or physically)...

What about one of these from all reports these are very very nice.
http://www.audiojunkies.com/product_detail...;product_id=257

If you want more info check www.diymobileaudio.com

Second Hand is one way to put it. Like new is more accurate. Its never been powered up!! And they are rated at 1.2kW. It has 600W stencilled in on each of the coil connections (Dual coils). Im working on photos at the moment, so dont dismiss it. They retailed for $1.1k.

Also, IMO, they have a better sound to the IDMAX. Not worse, just a better sound for my ears.

Braham 10" and a Maelstrom can both be had for that price brand new for the Adire models.

In that case..Adire Brahma and Sound Splinter RLp get my vote to try

Ive heard both subs, Brahma mine and RLp is Reza's so its not a random opinion The Brahma I have is 15" and Reza's RLp is 12".

Soundstream Van Gough 12" 600WRMS

Soundstream Tarantulla 12" 900WRMS

my review on the OZ ME12 should be up in the next few days too

I was so dissapointed when I heard some of these. The most overrated subs ever I reckon....

Oh yeh righto, lol

put two of em in a custom box running off a soundstream pca2000d,
and then come back and tell me u dissapointed.

Does anyone know if there are any PHD sub distributors here in Melbourne or elsewhere in Australia? I tried contacting them but did not get a reply.

http://www.phd.it/

»AF 10W (EC 10)
10” Subwoofer - 6 Voice Coils
Aluminum Flat Cone - Die Cast Basket
Sensitivity (SPL@1W): 92 dB
Power Handling RMS/MAX: 70/180 Watts

AudioArt might bring them in.

I thought thematt was getting one or two of the PHDs? Maybe PM him. In WA though.

yeh, Im gettin 2 (Damn late shipments....still waitin...). Yanddy is the distributor for 'em (Audio Art & Tech), but even he needs someone who speaks italian to deal with them

And fooseballer86, Ive heard four 15" tarantuala's running off an XXX-6500D in a custom box. Like I said before, I personally think they are overrated. Not really my choice for a SQ sub.

Consider DLS IR12 or Nobelimum 12"

The IR (Iridium 12") is the best sounding sub i have ever heard.
although I have not heard the Nobelimum 12" or the PHD either.

i'm using a single type-X, being fed 1000WRMS and have no complaints

but like is has been mentioned, not exactly the most different sub around

Sure that isn't 600w 'peak' in each voice coil?

Diamond's official documentation on there website lists power handling of 600w continuous and 1200w peak for their D919 and TDX10, and 800/1600 for the 12.

By all means they may hapily take considerably more then rated at, I don't deny this - but official documentation lists these figures



For sure, and the 10 may well sound better then the 12 - this is something i'd like to hear to confirm. However, the 12 to me just diidn't sound right and while increasing the size of the enclosure will surely improve it, I doubt it would entirely fix it. However, this is of course my own personal opinion - and we all know sound is subjective.

You've heard a TDX10 in my car before Pete. Have a listen to Edwin's next time you're down.

Muzzy, Im 100% sure its RMS. The figures for the TDX are slightly higher then the D9 series. The TDX12 is rated at 800W RMS in a large ported enclosure, but 1200W RMS in a small sealed. For obvious reasons of course...



And one up for the ears too. I personally dont like the IDMAX as much as I thought I would, and preferred the sound of the TDX over it. But other ears, such as yours, have other preferences (such as the Vanadium). Its all in the auditioning....

It's certainly true, it is all about auditioning. I've heard the Rainbow Vanadium, the Image Dynamics IDMAX, the Diamond TDX, the Hertz Mille, the Boston G5 etc etc...

I choose the Diamond TDX10 myself. Others chose totally different though.

I really like the Focal's, but seeing as I have only compared them to a Type X I can't recommend them that well. I had one 27V2, but recently purchased a 2nd and they sound fantastic, with plenty of output! One really wasn't sufficient in my small sedan, but 2 has really come alive. I run them with around 650wrms each, double their recommended rms power, and they handle that fine. About the only criticism that I have is the tinsel leads tend to 'slap' on the cone at high excursions, but this can be corrected with some careful soldering.

lol yep but we aint talkin about the 6500D.
(I'd just like to say as a side note that we should build a huge collumn and stick one of those things on top of it for all car audio enthusiasts to marvel at).

And we aint talking about 15's, i thought we were lookin at 12's. I simply recomended a "good" 12 inch sub between the 700-900wrms that was asked for, and u've come along and gone, na thats crap, ten soundstream XXX-10,000D bridged together running ten soundstream XXX-18's would sound better.
OH REALLY!!
thanx for that eye opening revolation.

Dont mess with me bro, im a wholesale fruiterer.
sorry to all byestanders. I just got back from work. Everyone have a good day alrite.

Er? Sorry mate, but I think you have misintepreted, and misunderstood, my post. I never said they were crap. Nor did I ever say strapping umpteen of them together with xxkW of power was better. I simply said I thought they were overrated. I also said it was my opinion, and not my choice. If you like them, then fantastic. There is nothing wrong with that at all. We have different tastes is all.

Ive heard lots of people raving about these over here in WA, just as a lot of people rave about the 'MAX online. Ive had my chance to sit and listen, and didnt find it to my liking. Considering the price, I didnt find it was able to compete with others in the same price bracket (irregardless of power handling), and wouldnt really consider it a sonically pure SQ sub. Ive heard both the 12's and the 15's, in seperate setups, and think they are more SPL or loud subs then SQ. I havent heard the 10's, but given the exact same motor structure, Ill paint it with the same brush.

And for the record (I think I have stated this before), in my opinion louder isnt better. Its just louder. Bigger and better power handling means it can go louder, not necesarily sound better. Then again, its all dependant on taste. Variety is the spice of life mate.

bahahahaha

such a random comment!

I think I only heard your car with the IDMAX and XXX. Don't think I've heard it since you put the TDX in

I actually just played around with the TDX in Bassbox Pro since I updated the software, and according to theory it's actually looking pretty good (both 12 and 10) when put in the optimal box. Can't seem to replicate the issues that were showing up previously - could have just been a bug in the program I'm not sure. Either way, regardless of the enclosure size (to a degree of course) the sub seems to be working very nicely. By all means I will have to have a listen to Edwin's car as I've heard it sounds fantastic (and he's a top dude) .

Diamond gear does have a very nice reputation, so I'd like to be able to praise the stuff. Just that I haven't yet heard anything from their range that has blown me away - hopefully this will change with the chance to hear another TDX

I was thinkin the same thing.... so random...

~thematt~ what r u goin on about, i have a soundstream tarantula 12" running of a soundstream PCA2000D and omg it hammers, SPL or SQ, mate with a slight tune i can take on either

go the fruiterers, im retail

so you will be at the CAASQ comp on the weekend?

Thats a fair statement. If you think its good, fair enough. Read my statement again for clarification. I dont think they are SQ material. Full stop. Thats not saying they arent, just that I dont think they are.

And like Fudd said, are you going to the CAASQ comp on the weekend? Id (honestly, not sarcastic or anything) be interested to here how a 12" SS Tarantula goes in the comp. Just for reference!

Amen to that brother

for sure, ill be at the CAASQ comp on the weekend, but unfortunately i wont be entering, i finish work about 2pm on sat, so ill be late but ill be there n u guys can check it out, see u sat

I'll be there!!!! but im still deciding on if ima gonna compete considering the system isnt finished.
Plus i dont have a fire extinguisher so theres like 5points gone already!