im looking for a front stage to work with the amp i bought. I listen to dance and rnb/hip hop and looking for a 2way system to crank with good sq. Im looking at the boston z6s at the moment any other ideas?

What's your budget?

Must be high if he want's some Z6's I guess.

Boston, Dynaudio, Morel, Rainbow, Phass etc. are the usual suspects for SQ.

look around, listen to heaps of stereos, and make up your mind that way,

nothing we tell you will make up your mind for you,


someone, who i cant remember said not too long ago,

speakers are like alcoholic drinks, all get you drunk, but they all taste different and effect you differently,

i love beer, and could talk to you about it till i was blue in the face, but doesnt mean you will like beer...

I like that one, I think it's pretty clever.

yee thats true but were can i listen to all the brands?

a lot of yanks use the 2500 to power IDmax or similar subs. Not helping you really. Boston, Morel or Dynaudio would be the types of splits that could handle the power of this amp and do it justice

cheerz

Add to that Rainbow & DLS as having excellent quality speakers.

Really got to let you're ears decide for you tho.

okay i herd the z6s today at lifestyle parramatta and i love the sound of them.

1. Would speakers sound better on the board in a shop or in a car?

2. Anybody else with high end 2ways raindbow, dyn esostar etc that could give me a demo???

do you listen do your 'car audio' components in the car or at home?

if possible always try to demo your speakers that your after in the car, because that'll be the environment you'll be listening in

Try Marty at FHRX Studio's - he has plenty you can demo in his office or in customers cars.



Perhaps shoot him an email and see what he can arrange for you.



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If its ok saying this by the CAA mods due to what 'djkrim' is asking, 'djkrim' how high end would you like to listen to in car as #2 point is available to be listened to in-car in regards with Rainbow?

what u mean?

He means is what line of rainbow splits are you looking at installing into your car, as there are rainbow splits available to be demo'd in car if you wanted.

Let your ears do the decision making.

When it comes to chosing a front stage no one can tell you what you'll want. Remember the key is too listen to as many products as you can and let your own ears decide for you. There is no special scientific formula behind the choice, rather just go with what you like the sound of. Please don't just take peoples word for it and go out spending all your hard earned cash based simply on someones comments.

Compile a list of trusted shops with good reputations, arm yourself with a pile of CD's and head out for a day of auditioning. That way your ears will let you know which ones to purchase to in order to satisfy your tastes.

I agree with the auditions, but a pile of CD's? I would of said your favourite CD that you know back to front. If you sit there listening to your whole collection you will get more confused as every CD is recorded differently. Pick one that you know very well and happy hunting

Precision Installations at Blakehurst are currently the only Rainbow retailers in Sydney If you give them a call I'm sure they could arrange to have a car available for you to audition also.

I also have a set of custom three way Rainbows which should be in my car pretty soon. They should be available for audition for the next competition if youd like a listen. As a bonus, I'm also running ARC Audio XXK amplifiers so that's one less variable in the picture. Feel free to P.M. me if you have any questions



Have to agree with that point. FHRX studios is another dealer worth looking at, as they deal in a very good range of high end speakers.

Brands like Eton, Phass, Dynaudio, Morel, Oz Audio, Seas Lotus, Focal, Boston etc.

I belive Diamond's D9 lines are also coming in now, so they may be worth considering.

Personally I've been very impressed by Dynaudio and Rainbow so far, and think you would have to be nuts to not at least give both brands an audition.

We'll agree to disagree on that point. Using myself as an example; considering my two favourite genres are classical music and death metal, I fail to see how one CD is going to help me make a complete and fully informed choice.

When I said 'pile' of CD's, I didn't mean take 500! I meant take a handful you're familiar with. This might include one metal, one hip hop, one classicial, one jazz, one techno, one blues and so on and so forth. Whatever genres you're into.

yee thats what i want to try and do this weekend. Test out some speakers. Last weekend i went to test out some speakers on a board but they were running off the deck so i dont see the point.

No, I'd probably be looking for a better auditioning experience myself too.

To quote JL Audio:



I personally look at it this way:

The purpose of a sound system is to take a source, convert it to sound energy, and send it to your ears. Either the system is faithful to the source, or it isnt - with any source. It doesn't make sense to me that a component in a sound system can accurately reproduce one source, but not another.

Therefore, any speaker which 'accurately' reproduces death metal, should reproduce classical just as easilly, shouldn't it?

If not, then there is a flaw in one of the sources, not in the system.

At least thats how I look at it.

This is why when listening to a system I listen to familiar tracks... something that I know SHOULD sound a certain way. If they all sound right, then I can say with some confidence that the component is pretty accurate. If some sound dead on, and others sound dead wrong, then there is a flaw in the recording, not the componentry.

Listening to too many tracks (all of which are recorded with varying levels of accuracy) may simply confuse the situation, as you struggle to identify whether the lack of accuracy is in the system or the source. No disrespect intended, that's just my view

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Remember I didn't mentioned anything about quality.

Every speaker has a different suspension and motor system. This infuences its sound reproduction. It doesn't mean it sounds 'good' or 'bad', rather it just means that when they convert the electrical energy into kinetic energy they will all do it in a distinctly different way. Some are bassy, some have more treble. Some are smooth, some are harsh. While no speaker will ever sound as accurate or 'good' as the live instrument from which the sound is taken, we audition in order to find the speaker that sounds closest according to our ears. Using another analogy, ponder the Matrix movies; while they have a green tinge over the picture it does not change the overall quality of the image itself. Say you like a green tinge where as I like a red tinge.

From what you said above, could I draw this conclusion; you would say that seeing most cars have similar suspension that should mean they are all just as good at circuit racing as drag racing as each other yeah? Or have a misunderstood your view on the subject?

As I stated above Pete, you audition your way; I'll audition my way. So long as we're both happy at the end of the day then that is all that matters.

Of coruse, I'm not denying that different speakers have different tonal characteristics, I doubt anyone would deny this

The point i was trying to make is that if a speaker is bass heavy for example, then it should sound bass heavy on any accurately recorded music, regardless of genre.

For an equivalent metaphor, lets say a high quality TV natrally has a little too much emplasis on red colours. The result will be that every single movie your watch on that TV will be 'too red' regardess of if it's Shrek, the Matrix, Hannibal or Debbie Does Dallas. It's wont be 'too red' on Hannibal, and 'accurate' on shrek.

Even if Shrek is recorded to lack Red (as a visual design feature), the TV's natural addition of red may make it look accurate to us - however it wont be because it's not bringing out the 'true colours' of the source.

Likewise a speakers specific characteristics or tonal bias should be noticable regardless of the type of music played on it - as long as that music is accurately recorded.

A soft speaker will sound soft on any well recorded music regardless of whether it's rock, pop, dance, urban, classical or electronic.

No matter what music you are playing, a soft speaker will always sound softer then a harsh speaker. Any speaker which is not harsh, should not sound harsh on any music unless the music itself is harsh.

Hence, my conclusion that you dont need to hear a speaker on every genre of music to understand how it sounds, as the speakers bias will effect every form of music the same way. You just need a couple of songs that you know extremely well so that you can pick how the speaker is effecting the music.

That's not to say that I go to an audition with a single track - I take a CD I've made myself with about 15 tracks I know very well. However, amoung those 15 tracks I may only have one or two different genres - even though I myself frequently listen to at least 4 or 5 different genres. It usually only takes one or two of those tracks that I know (not necesarilly of a different genre) to give me an immediate idea of the speakers characteristics...the others I just leave on there because it's a waste to make a CD with just two or three tracks on it , and because it's boring to only listen to only two same songs over and over in everything you audition

However your point is taken, and as you said we each have our own methods in how we do things - which is of coruse the beauty if being human



Not at all. the role of a speaker / sound system is to take a static source, and reproduce it (hopefully accurately).

The role of a cars suspension is not to reproduce a static road surface or condition. It is to keep a car securely or comfortably on the ground (depending on the car's focus).

Hence, these two different animals, and I don't believe that the design of a car's suspension has any relation whatsoever to the reproductive capabilities of a speaker

djkrim you received the amp?

as for the front stage, I would recommend you to give dyn a try, the 2500xxk will give out 2x270w at 4ohm and the dyn will love it

I see what you're saying now Pete and I agree in regards to your colour / visual analogy.

Similar to what you were saying about colour, harder speakers tend to play everything hard (e.g. Boston Pro's) where as softer speakers tend to play everything soft (e.g. Eton Discovery). But I do see what you're saying though.

But like you; I too like to listen to quite a few things before I purchase something. And yes, of course you can always burn a single CD with your favourites on it rather than taking a handful of CD's.

what about if you dont know what your listening to in regards to brilliant lucidity, what do you do interms of auditions...........zion

Exactly what Ive done!! I have a CD with Celene Dion, Dire Straits, ACDC, Armin Van Buuren, Gregorian Masters of Chant, Enigma, Rihanna, Chris Brown, Ewan McGregor and heaps more on it. As varied as you get!! And its my official testing CD.