Just installed a set of Broston Pro 60s with driver in the kicks and tweets on the doors on axis. Problem is they sound way too harsh, even after setting -4DB in the crossover. I've had a set of SL60s before and loved the sound. The main difference would be that the SLs used a silk tweeter and the pros are metal tweeters.

Would like suggestions on if its installation location (may try the tweeters in the kicks).

Also, if i was to look for other tweeters, which ones? maybe a set of SL60 tweeters? wouldn't mind some feed back on some morels.

Use a speaker cloth to cover the tweeter, try reducing the treble on your H/U.

EDIT: If you loved the previous SL60's why did you upgrade?

metal domes, and even most soft domes are very bright, try the speaker cloth, or if not, take em back and get some nice soft domes...

can you bi wire the crossover?

if so a 4ch amp would fix the issue most likely. (being able to tone the tweeter down more than before)

alternatively, if you have good EQ, try to cut down the harsh freqs,
also check the phase on all the speakers, if the midbass are out of phase then the tweeters will seem harsh.

Don't immediatly assume that it's the tweeter thats harsh, especially if most of the harshness is in sibilance, if this is the case, it's more likely a poor x/over point or the midbass is mounted in such a way that 1-4khz is pronounced.

Juls

point the tweeters off-axis, so they don't fire straight at you - say down or up a bit, or accross to the opposite side of the car.

mate dont even think about changine your tweeters, there perfect and far from harsh, you'll be shooting yourself in the foot to change them for somthin else
im runnin boston pro 60's with the tweeters in kick's and another set of the same tweeter's in the a-pillars as ambients

http://www.caraudioaustralia.com/forums/in...showtopic=69358

have you adjusted your EQ's and xover points etc?

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Thanks, i'll try that.

EQ is all good but you don't get the same sound from metal tweeters as you do with softer tweeters, thats why i though i'll get some others.

I'll push them off axis and see how that goes, if thats no good, then i'll put them in the kicks. If thats no good, new tweeters it is then.

mounting them off axis will help, but i think with the tweeters in your doors, they'll still be too close...

i've had some luck with boston pro's in the kicks...sounding drag the sound stage too low...i found they're nice sounding speakers

mate, if he thinks that there harsh, they are...


if he thinks that focal Be's are harsh, then they are..
its his opinion, you cant force crap like that down peoples throat

take it easy buddy, he's entittled to his opionion just like im giving mine that there not known as a harsh tweeter i've yet to hear one person complain about my tweeters being harsh, im just giving him contructive advice instead of tellin him to take them back to the dealer like yourself which won't help with a no returns policy like most retail shops as they become second hand once out the box

boston pro tweets are goodens,.
PM some legends for advise and show a link your thread, you may be pleasently surprised........zion

Well i've decided to give them ago and will stick with the pro60s. However, i'm going to change the rest of my setup.

At the moment, i'm running a coustic 4 channel for the pros and i know its way under powered. This will effect SQ drastically so i've decided to grab a GT24. 2 x 120 should do the trick, and it will be heaps cleaner as well.

I'm also changing my subs. At the moment, i'm running 2 G5 10" a sealed box with a GT28. They sound awsome but i think its a bit of a waste as i don't really play my music very loud most of the time. I'm going to go with another G5 but a 12", just a single. I'll get a GT24 for it as the GT28 is a bit of a waste and i can sell both the 10" and the amp.

I'm also getting a Alpine H510 DSP which will help with SQ too.

it never ends, but a fun process though

I have heard this a few times about the boston pro tweets being harsh...
You can get them sounding good, but may take a bit of experimentation with positioning and eq..
Good luck

if i mount the tweeters in the kicks, should i have them firing straight across the cabin or on axis?

Also, is there any way of raising the stage with EQ? maybe a boost in the 3K?

from my personal experiences, I have tended to find that harshness is generally a characteristic of a speaker, moreso then it's settings.

A harsh speaker imo will always sound harsh. If you attenuate it, then it will just sound like you have harsh speakers with no treble and imo will not smooth out the sound at all.

This is at least what I have found from experiementing in the past.

Sadly, I'm not sure if there is much that you can do. Mounting them down low off axis may reduce harshness somewhat, but will also greatly sacrifice detail.

Attenuating the tweeters too much will make your sound lack in the top end, while retaining it's harshness.

This is my opinion, so i'll give some others a chance to state theirs

Although adjusting crossover points / amplifier gains could potentially improve things

Not known as a harsh tweeter?

According to the tons of comments i've heard about the Pro's they are almost notorious for it.

I've had limited experience listening to them myself (with only a brienf chance to hear them on a demo board) but from what I did hear they certainly didnt sound like the smoothest or most natural tweeters i've heard thats for sure.

Detailed and airy yes, but to me they just sounded artificial.

Thats just me though

Right on the money there. I just bought a GT28 amp and i'll push them off axis when i get some free time and see how it sounds.

If you still have the problem, then the other option may be to run them active as this will give you direct control over the crossover points / slopes. Possibly they are crossed too low or too shallow for their comfort of the factory crossovers and this could possibly introduce the harshness.

If not last priority i guess you can replace the tweeters for some Rainbow Vanadiums or Lotus Reference aluminium domes. I've read that the Lotus are extremely smooth and refined (relatively close in sound to rainbow platinum but not quite as good) and can confirm from experience that the Vanadiums are very, very close in sound to the silk dome profis (smooth, detailed and refined).

Then rather then waste them, you could probably use the boston tweets as ambients if you want to.

All the best with that

rainbow is the answer,

rainbow, dyn and morel prove king over and over again...

Have to agree.

Through the experiences I've had with the Boston higher end gear - they are very harsh speakers. I actually feel that there is hardly an audible difference from the Pros to the Z6s.

As muz said, there are detailed but deliever through harsh tones.

well i'm changing my whole setup again

Going with 1 G5 12" and a radiator instead of the 2 10s. Running 1 GT28 on the Pros & 1 for the sub, should be plenty of juice. I'm actually glassing a box into the tyre well and the sub will be inverted & the radiator will be as is, will have to see how that goes. I've got a GTR so theres not much room when it comes to audio gear. I pushed them off axis and they are starting to sound a lot nicer, still detailed but not as bright.

I'm going to do the bluetak trick and try them in different places. Will keep you guys posted on the progress