Ok as i'm on the lookout for a set of tweeters i have come accross some from WES which seem really good from the specifications.

It will cost me about $100 delivered brand new for a pair.
Currently my setup is a 4 X 100watt rms amplifier in an active setup (so that means up to 100watt rms at 4 ohms is delivered to each speaker driver)
My mid woofers at JL 60watt rms 4ohm 90db sensitivity
cheers
Joe

Haven't heard the soft dome vifa's myself.

My brother has an old pair of the metal dome vifa's... not 100% sure of the exact model number. I think they cost him about $70 per unit from Jaycar a couple of years back (yes, jaycar used to sell Vifa mids and tweeters).

Definately cant complain for $140 a pair. They are very detailed, but in my opinion they are overly harsh, and sound a little too artificial and aggressive for my liking.

The soft domes may possibly sound a little less harsh, but I cant say for sure.

If you ask me, for the money, you can't go wrong really ... however if I were using dyn mids i'd probably use a higher quality tweeter with them.

My brother is at the moment using some scanspeak tweeters that do sound pretty nice, and are also pretty budget friendly.

I'll find out from him the model and the price of the drivers for you if you are interested - they are a big improvement over the Vifas.

They are a nice tweeter but the XT25 or XT19 is nicer and has a better off axis reponse in real world conditions. The soft dome above is a little harsh. WES components are the importer / distributor for all DSL speakers. Vifa is no longer they are now Peerless drivers.

Remember these are very large drivers and to get the best from them need a wide area for the dispersion plate to work correctly.

RZAudio.com is the cheapest you'll find for the Vifa/Peerless tweeters or else try Scott from Essentialaudio.com.au and see if he can better Peters price.

Oh and theres quite a few competitiors in CAASQ who use the XT tweeters - some with very very good results in victoria

The place i was thinking of putting the tweeters were in the original 4" speaker holes on the top of my dash in each corner facing upwards towards the front windscreen, I had my past tweeters mounted in the kick panels facing the listening, Will this be suitable in SQ terms? as i'v heard this done before which raises the sound stage, I was speaking to a friend and hes adament that this will sound good, but as i havn't heard that setup in my magna before i don't know, Its a great location to put large tweeter drivers in because of the original space there. It will give better sound stage from left too right as there is less obrstruction for the passenger and driver with steering wheels, peoples legs and chairs being in the way. As apposed to it being in the dash.

Opinions for and agaist both setups are welcomed.

So are those two places cheaper than WES to purchase vifa tweeters from? (Also vifa are the budget version on scan speak)

The two best sounding cars in the country use vifa tweets.... thats gotta tell you something...


Pro Street national title will be hotly contested....

Woody

How have these cars got them setup? My two options are either in dash or in kick panels, using these tweeters i just have the option of either my doors next to my mid woofers or on my top dash, I'm thinking the dash right this moment.

I'm currently using Vifa tweeters in my Home hifi setup with dynaudio midrange and peerless woofers, i'm quite happy with the result from them and would love the same sound in my car.

I just got the most recent wes catalog with many many new speakers to drool over, anyone heard the new peerless component splits? There are two different ranges with 2 models per range. with a 5" and a 6" mid woofer to choose from.

I only want to spend up to $150 most for a high end set of tweeters. Vifa are quite affordable and the specs look excellent. I highly like soft dome tweeters (silk then material) not a fan of metal alloy titanium variations of dome or concave tweeters. I must rather a softer not forced sound that soft dome tweeters from dyaudio, morel, vifa and so forth

On saturday at Jambo, come and find me. I'll be on the Northfield display stand. I'll show you a car thats set-up properly with vifa's....

Woody

Vifa are now called Peerless Vline. Vifa ScanSpeak and Peerless used to be 3 different companys under the DSL name

WES components are the importer / distributor. AFAIK they are not as cheap as AZ and Essential when selling direct to the pubilc.

Yes thats quite correct, but i have a trade account with wes so its wholesale prices at the price which those companies buy them for...
also i was unaware that wes even sold directly to the public??

Only recently they have started to. I have purchased a few things through one of their other divisions "GameMaster"

If you have an account with WES then go straight through them then!

im running the xt25, got them mounted in the kicks.
this works well with my dash to give me plenty of hight, width and lots and lots of depth

as for how they sound.. look at my sig

The Vifas are Ghetto rob?

I heard robs whole car was ghetto.....

Woody

$hit man - Rob is Ghetto!

You yell out ghetto near rob and he turns around - Robs second name is ghetto

hey there getting glassed in on the weekend!!

is that true? rob is leaning away from the ghetto install..

getting glassed on the weekend - maybe by finals next year they will be bogged and sanded ready to be finished...

LOL

ok ok ppl back on track lol anyways

I'v heard mixed feelings about the vifa xt25,
So do people think the tweeters i showed that i might get be reasonable for my setup? Thanks

put it this way you have to spend a lot more to have a better sounding tweeter ON axis.

if you plan on a kick panel off axis tweeter position maybe a metal tweeter would be preferred, vifa make a very good alumnium tweeter too

im sure the vifa's you pictured i have listen to and was not that impressed.
but there are sooo many different vifa tweeters out there.

XT25 / XT19 well its based on the ScanSpeak Ring revelator and developed by the same organisation so you would think they know what they are doing with that style of tweeter. As for the soft dome tweeters pictured. Without hearing them, like fudd I cant comment as as mentioned DSL make so many tweeters its hard to remember. However the few that I do remember from the DSL range have been harsh sounding. That soft dome is just that a soft dome over the top of another diphram connected to the voice coil - therefore the actual diaphram could be being distorted by this "soft dome" creating the harsh sound that I personally dont like.

robs car sounds nice, the vifa's are nice, spend a little extra, and get the xt25's..

Perhaps it would be better to say "two of the best", not "the two best".

Not trying to take anything away from anyone, just a big call to say the two best soudning cars in australia use vifa's when you most likely haven't heard 80% of the car systems in australia - and on top of this there is the 'subjectiveness' factor





Not a fan of the idea of tweeters up on the dash facing the windscreen.

1) Separation between mid and tweeter (although dash mounting can still bring excelent results)

2) mounting so significantly off-axis dulls frequency response heavilly

3) sound waves bouncing off glass tends to create a quite unpleasant sound

Played around with several location with my old tweeters and found on axis works very well either in the kicks or on the dash - both gave nice results.

Any time I had the tweeters significantly off axis there was a significant drop in detail, and aiming them towards the glass just made things worse.

I actually ended settling with them far back in the pillars (where windscreen meets pillar) with both angled up and to the centre of the car - bascically aimed between the two front head rests.

I thought this worked pretty well, but I still lost out with midrange detail because my mids were heavilly off axis in the doors.





Remember also, not all metal domes are forced and aggresive, much like not all soft domes are soft and smooth.

Those Vifas may be soft domes, but doesn't mean they will be soft and mellow

I've listened back to Rainbow Profi and Profi Vanadium tweeter back to back (Profi = silk, Vanadium = aluminium). The soft domes were slightly more mellow, with the metals slightly more detailed - but you would seriously struggle to pick it without a back to back test.

As far as peerless, my brother is using a pair 7" Peerless mids (~$300 /pair) in his car active with some Scanspeak tweeters (~$400 / pair) and the mids are very nice for the money.

Would consider giving them a look in

Yea i think it is and im filling in for him.

How bout this then....

I couldnt give a stuff about whether i've heard other cars or not. I have enough information to confidently back myself.....

I'll continue to say "THE TWO BEST SOUDING CARS IN THE COUNTRY USE VIFA'S" and if anyone wants to prove me wrong, they come and compete.... simple!!!




This may be the case for you but i can guarantee that it works for certain set-ups. And it works EXTREMELY well. Both Pro street and show state champions in QLD use this method of tweeter placement. The fact that its a proven method in competition, is enough for me to reccomend that people try it.

Woody

Hey woody,
Thanks for that, I extremely interested in the XT25TG-30-04 I can buy a pair brand new for about $125 or there abouts.

Im going to test installing them in the top of my dash and go from there.

just one more question before i purchase my new set of tweets.
Anyone used or heard of the Peerless HDS High definition Series?
Part number: 105 DK 26 72 SF FF DM (SO1160)
PWR: 130watt rms 93k-20khz
93db,
5.1ohm

They are exceptional value,
But i'm still thinking the vifa will outclass this.

Once i'v ordered and installed i will post up some pics and tell you what i think. i'v got three places which i will install, Either in kick panels facing the center of the car, In my doors (with glass pods to hold them) Or in my dash, I think some gaffa tape will come handy in choosing position.

dun mean to hijack the thread, but has anyone auditioned Vifa's D26NC-55-06?

Am thinking of changing to sth smaller so that the tweets can be more discreet.

thanks

Hey Caydin,

Just in case you were wondering, i dont refer to myself in the "best sounding cars" category. I leave that for Dan and Rob to fight for.

As far as being arrogant goes, well you'd best get over it. Cause its not gonna change just cause you don't like it. Gotta problem with that??? There's a red X in the top right corner that will solve all your problems.


Woody

The Vifa XT25's can sound good or bad, it depends how you have them set up (like any speakers)
I have them and I like them and they're cheapest for the quality.

One competitor at a comp had speakers costing 3x what mine did, and he didn't beat me, not even close.

For all you know there may be a thousand people in australia who have systems far better then anything you have heard. Yet if these systems exist, the fact that their ownerd don't compete (for their own reasons) makes their system inferior?

If I took out last place in Ameteur Street in NSW, I wouldn't go around believing I have the worst system in NSW just because some guy ranked it last out of a group of 8 or so - because you can be damn sure there is always something far worse.

Likewise if were to take out the national title in Pro Street, I would not go around saying I have the best system in Australia just beacuase a couple of guys said so - because I'd bet my fat bum (haha bum, gotta love those CAA censorships ) that there is always someone better.

In a competition the difference between first and third place can be down to a judges personal bias (i.e. style of sound he likes), an inconvieniently located source unit, and a missing fire extinguisher. Whos to say the third place system doesn't actually sound just as good or better?

No disrespect intended, I just expected that a person with your knowledge and experience would have a more open mind and s less arrogant view on things..

CAASQ does a great job of providing you with an experienced professional opinion of how good your system sounds overall, and in comparison to the other entrants.

The keyword here is 'opinion'... you system's rank in National finals does not equate to it's rank in the entire country's population.



That's fine, I'm not telling anyone not to try it. In fact, I openly encourage everyone to try as many different setup styles as possible and to decide themselves what they like the best. I'm merely saying that in my own expereince i've not at all been a fan of such layouts.



Then you will continue to be talking out of your bum..(there goes that censor again)

Maybe one of those cars IS the best sounding car in Australia.
Maybe your car is the best sounding car in Australia.
Maybe my car when done will be the best sounding car in Australia.
Maybe the best sounding car is one we have never seen or heard, and belonging to a man (or woman!) we've never met.

I don't know what the best system in Australia is, nor do you. No one has enough experience or creadibility to honestly claim they do.

Actually, on my browser its a white "X" on a red background... but I guess you have enough information about that to "confidently back yourself", right?

See, nobody knows everything

Just stirring the pot but......

There are some systems put out over here in WA that simply blow the boundaries on people's conceptions of SQ. The sound the emanate from these things are incredible to say the least.

And they dont compete in any comps.

Geez, it's not even finals, and the rivalry's already getting hotted up....

hey woody, obviously the mods dont like any one voicing there opinions unless its to

a) kiss somoones bum, or

b) talk crap on an international forum...

the first time somone speeks up and says something they dont like, like calling you an arrogant pr@#k, they jump all over it like a rat on a cheezle....


have a nice day woody...


p.s moderators are getting soft

I think it's the whole "DD thread closure" saga from the past making them paranoid

Still remember those days where a single mention of Digital Designs in any thread would guarantee an immediate closure within three days

yeah mine is the white x with red background

diddnt you guys get the memo? the one stating mine is the best car in the world? (jk)

i know my car sounds OK, may not be the best in australia and i know i can get it sounding better but it dose me

The point of a forum is for people to exchange views and opinions, its free for all I think,
I wanted honest and open opinions. what you take from it is all up to you.

And hey i'll be honest my car will be the best magna!! haha nah not even close i don't think, but im on the quest to loving the audio it produces so personally right now that matters (will be looking for caasq comps soon)

All the best blackfox

Sorry if I knocked the thread a little off the rails

my apologies also, good luck with the tweeters mate...

haha thanks for the well wishers, its all fun and games...until someone losses an eye (or an ear from loss of hearing...)

i'm buying a set of dynaudio md100's this week and xt25's i will compare them and tell you what i think if anyone is interested. Also i will be mounting in my dash and kick panels to see how they go compaired to each other in a 2nd gen Magna 1995 model.
photos soon too i'll just put them up in this thread no need to make a new one

if anyone has audio gear forsale pm me as i have heaps of people asking me for different gear (mates/customers) also i have a lot of gear forsale right now, try your luck you never know i might have what you want or vice versa you might have what i need haha need, thats a higly debatable fact, oh well

comparisons and reviews - in the reviews section is a thread for equipment reviews.

I have both tweeters but have only ever ran the MD100's in my car, I'm yet to get around to listening to the XT25's. They are just sitting gathering dust haha.

i would be interested in a review between MD100 and XT25's. Also would like to know how the XT25 would sound when partnered with the MW160 woofer.

I can let you know about the XT25/MW160 when there's some MW160's in the country. I do know the XT25 sound nice with MD140/2 dome mids.

i dont think ill be running my xt25's next year

???????????

u must tell....

maybe the scanspeak revelator then...

maybe but no..

something no one here has ever seen let alone used

but on a different note, spend alot of time listning to the OZ tweeters today, i must say DAMN there nice!

OK i'v got the MD100's in and they are excellent, my amplifier i don't think is powerful enough for my setup now.

I got peerless Definition 6" splits, so i'm using the woofer from those with my md100, anyone know how good the peerless textile soft dome tweeter is? Specs are 2000-22,0000Hz, sensitivity 98db 4ohm 1w/0.5m (96db 1w/1m)
Splits are rated at 80watt rms,

The speakers are suprising light with the basket of the speakers being a resin mould (for the purpose of having a different resonance frequency to metal).

I will be making a new thread in reviews about these with all the photos that i took before and after installation.
Cheers
Joe

Also btw contrary to a lot of belief, these speakers break the opinion and some people have that peerless woofers have no mid-bass These things are insane (and i havn't even isntalled my 4 layers of sound deadening...) in comparison to my jl audio vr-600's lol

Bet I can guess!