I'm needing some help deciding on my new front stage

I have the choice of
-Boston s60 splits which would most likely be run passive
or
-A Peerless/Vifa combo of XT25 tweeters and Peerless "exclusive series" 6.5" midwoofers (unless anyone can recommend any other peerless midwoofers that retail under $200 each) and I would most likely run this active

Otherwise I can go a three way front stage, run active with my current MB Quart 5" drivers doing the mids, Peerless 8's doing midbass and Vifa XT25's for the highs.

I'm after SQ, My current front stage sound nice, has detail but lacks midbass and the tweeters have too much syliblis (spelling??) at high volume

ok, how about this- your experience with either products and I'll work it from there

Vifa XT25's have been used successfully in CAASQ winning cars.

yep, thats why I'm going to give them a try, does anyone have much experience with Peerless woofers? If so which ones and how do you rate them including bad points?

I like the 3 way option myself.

But on another note there is no such thing a tweeter that produces Sybilence (spelling?) it really comes down to how much detail your tweeters can produce, as I was speaking to a friend who used to own his own recording studio for a number of years, and the only way a tweeter can make sybilence is if it is in the original recording. So in other words Sybilence is purely the by product of the recording not your speakers but you can try tuning it out, it will always still be there, but you can help lower those freq around which it occurs, but you do risk losing other detail.

Would anyone else like to comment on this as I have read otherwise and would like the issue clarified, please

not sure where these fit into peerless's range but i won 4 peerless mids and two vifas on the recent AdvanceAE/CAA aution
i wanted to try them out as ive heard good things about them
and got them at a pretty decent deal..

if your interested i will probably sell a pair of the peerless (link below)
at price i paid as i wont need 6 extra mids .. pm me for details..

http://www.advanceae.com.au/catalog/produc...roducts_id=2462

havent recieved them yet but they should be on their way.

i'll call bullcrap on that luke352. Plenty of tweeters, especially cheap ones, can sound quite "harsh".

also, some tweeters are deliberately designed to be "piercing" so when they are mounted in awkard positions (almost a necessity in car audio) they will still be clear.

Harshness and Sybilence are two different things.

I'll try and explain it somehow else. Sybilence if it is in the recording is ALWAYS there it is just that some tweeters depending on there behavior reproduce it at higher levels then others or some tweeters may be able to reproduce a bit more pleasantly. My friends words where along the lines off "Sybilence is not a result/made by your speakers it is something that is in the recording meaning that the recording engineer hasnt taken the time or trouble to properly record the track to ensure thing like sybilence arent a problem". Running his own studio in Brisbane for almost 10 years I'd like to think he has some idea of what he is on about. He was in my car for about 10secs before he told me the exact freq's I had boosted in my PEQ.

Just because you can get sibilance in a recording, which is common in Spanish music to emphasise different 's' sounds, doesn't mean that a speaker can't boost those same frequencies naturally. On a physics level, that just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Leigh

I can already get those mids quite cheap but I have PM'd you to clarify the offer.

The peerless mids I am really interested in are the "exclusive series" 6.5" woofer/mid (code- P830883) has anyone tried these in an IB setup like a door, I'm not going to be able to make 15L pods and it says they are optimised for 15L bass-reflex designs to give 45hz

I thought thats what I said, that certain speakers depending on there behavior will emphasise the Sybilence more, but the point I am making is NO tweeter can produce sybilence unless it is part of the original recording. So point being no sybilence in the recording, then no sybilence will be heard. But if there is some in the recording then there is a good chance you will hear it, of course some speakers will boost those freq's more and it will come across louder.

My main reason for posting this was to try and correct the belief that people think Sybilence is a result of there tweeter etc.. yes partially it is, but its source is from the recording not the tweeter.

the xt25 is the bomb.... i run the modded out polk version, and it is the sweetest thing ever

got the xt25

For a brief time, when my tweeters were wired out of phase to the woofers, I had sibilance in every single CD I listened to - no matter what the original sounded like. Sibilance is not an either or - it relates to how much certain frequencies are boosted during recording. Sure, some artists or people when they sing or speak tend to make the sharp 's' sound more, but that doesn't mean that a normal person, recorded using a neutral eq. can't get sibilance through certain tweeters. If those frequencies are cut during recording, then it may require effort for sibilance to arise, but it can still occur if the tweeters are prone to emphasising them.

Whether recorded, or simply boosted, sibilance will occur when certain frequencies are louder than others. It doesn't matter when they are relatively louder - ie. studio vs car - if they are louder, sibilance can occur.

/Jagermeister-induced drunken rant.

Leigh

Thats fair enough if you want to go with what you believe at the end of day we have to make our own choices and decisions. I was just trying to bring forward the information that was given to me by the person who makes the cd's we listen to, but we make our own decisions from what we have experienced .

Are you sure that was sibilence you where hearing I don't think having two drivers out of phase to each other would produce sibelence. Probably an effect like it but isnt.

But anyway, you have to go with the 3 way setup Falc, that would be a vey impressive setup when finished.

Thats like saying that a cheap, crap sub, in a tiny milk crate container, will only sound "boomy" if there was "Bass" in the song to start with.

Doesnt sound particularly clever, does it?

Every song *should* have "sibiliance" present by your reasoning to make speech/cymbals etc clear.
its the natural characteristic of some tweeters that boosts that to an unreasonable/unbalanced level. Just as it would be a natural characteristic of a tiny sub-box to raise the lower roll-off point and make it boomier.

There the flip-side for you

No, the tweeters were in phase with each other, but out of phase with the rest of the stereo. As Liquidity said, some sibilance is important and it isn't simply an on or off.

Leigh