Anyone use it before?

SQ wise its top notch, but not sure how loud it will go. Still unable deciding on what subwoofer to go for.

have YOU heard it?? If you havent, how do you know its SQ is top notch?? If you have, then really you should know how loud it goes yes....??

I'm quite interested to try one of these out myself,

but generally they are used for home audio,
not too many people using them in cars.

I'm not convinced I would choose one of these over a Focal Utopia BE subwoofer though,
unless they are half the price.

any idea on the scanspeak subs cost?

Juls

Of course I have heard it before... thats why I say its good.
With one 9", it goes quite low... one 9" with a passive radiator sounds even better. Only thing is we didnt measure the SPL of the sub.

I was thinking of two 9" without passive radiator but if it cannot push 125dB, then maybe will scarp the idea and go for a JL

you want sq, why are you woried about what spl it pulls???

Why is its output overly important?

I have two of the best SQ subs in the world (slight bias, but prove me wrong ) that have bugger-all output. They wouldnt be able to pull any decent numbers at all. 70W RMS each is quite low IMO.

But I love the sound of them, and thats why Im using them.

If you love the 9" with the radiator, then get one or two of those. You cant get anything that sounds better then that which you already love.

Look at my Setup II, I am having the Scan 23W/4557 9" sub installed at the moment. The set-up should be ready by tomorrow!!! I'll keep you guys posted on how it turns out. I am feeding the sub with Audison LRx 1.1k which is rated 420W @ 4ohm. The box size is only 0.6 cu.ft.

I did listen to one car with the Scan 9" sub recently and I was amused by how LOW and CLEAN this sub can get down to by feeding it 400W at 4 ohm (the sub is rated at 225W @ 4 ohm). Easily one of the best sub I have listened to, probably the sub with the lowest distortion that I have ever come across with Fs=20.5 Hz and Qts=0.47. Anyway, I was so impressed that I ditched JL12W6 for it in my latest SQ setup. The only down side is the small cone size with Sd=232 sq.cm and low sensitivity of 82dB (2.83V/1m).

Certain competation rules gives full points if you get 135db, and 1 point less for every dB until a cut of point... I am being a bit anal on this


sggator, any pics of your setups?

Thats IASCA, which isnt a true SQ competition. Something like EMMA would be more SQ oriented I would say.

Now that I have break-in the 9" Scan sub for about 40 hours, I LOVE the sub. It play 25Hz and above effortlessly, very clean and integrate with midbass nicely. But having such a small cone area, it may lack impact for 20Hz and 18Hz if you listened to one of the IASCA competition track. Highly recommended for SQ set-up.

Then get 4 of them, can't go wrong then!

One plus a passive radiator is enough apparently, but I am very happy with just one without radiator.

Hi,I too am looking for a 9 to 10 inch sq sub,this size seems to be tighter and more accurate than 12 and over, ( I have both but am dissapointed with them ) what are these 70w subs that sound so good, I am not looking for spl. cheers Pete.

PHD, imported through Yandy at audioart in WA

^^^ What Anthony said.

Beautiful subs.

Close, it's Anthony

I knew that. Only testing to see if you were alive.

You passed.

Got any pics?

Have you tried a Rainbow Vanadium before?

Boston Pro 10.5LF is considered by many to be a very good SQ sub, and was my previous sub. Regardless of size, my current 12" Vanadium absolutely dostroys it in every respect - speed, depth, control, detail, accuracy, distortion, output.. you name it. If you wan't an excellent SQ sub, I'd definately at the very least try to get an audition.

Remember, the Vanadium is also build from the ground up to be a pure SQ sub - although they can still kick some ass if you ask them to. If you really wan't a smaller size, they are also available in 10", 8" and 7".

Just a thought

You love your rainbow don't you muzzy

Hehe sure do

I try not like to sound like I'm a walking talking advertisement, but I really am more and more in love with the sound with every passing day (and every fixed flaw!).

The Vanadium really is that big a jump from the IDMAX 12 and Boston Pro 10 I owned previously. Hard to imagine that big a jump (i didn't myself expect it) but the improvement is massive.

Will you be at the competition on the 31st?

With bells on My assignment for CA is submitted next sunday, so that should give me hopefully a little bit of time off.

Very interested in how it compares to the PG... Should be interesting and I'm keep to see how your instal has been coming along. Mine has stagnated at the moment with one or two set backs with some other areas (blown boat motor being the biggest one and CA being the other...).

Anyway BlackPete back on topic, what budget are you looking at and what type of sub do you currently have? What type of box and what car? What about your sub don't you like?

Cheers,

Anthony

Hey Muzz,

What audible difference is there between the Vanadium and the Profi??

that also a question i want to know...i'm looking at getting the vanadium sub myself

if u dont mind me asking , how much is the cost of vanadium?

browsing around , i only found $500 for it.

Speakers or subs?

I haven't actually heard the Profi sub myself, unfortunately, so I can't comment in that regard.

As far as splits, there is very little in it. The Vanadium sound slightly dryer, with a touch more top end. The Profi slightly more mellow - but it pinky's length. I'd put most of the modest difference down to the Metal vs Silk tweets.

With such little difference between the speakers, I'd guess the subs probably sound very similar as well - but I can't say.



I can't quote an exact retail price, as I there may have been price changes recently. Last I recall it was 'around' $800rrp give or take, but again I'm unsure of the exact price, or whether there have been any changes there.

Out of curiosity, where did you get quoted $500 from?

I meant the subs. Marty used to have a retail list on his website (of which Ive still got a copy...) and the Profi went for around 620, with the Vanadium going for around 650. Both 12's. Dont know how valid these prices still are, but they shouldnt be that far off.

sorry i forgot to put the net on my statement..

and its usd http://www.premier-audio.com/index.php?mai...ge=products_all

thx muzz... cheers

I've seen that same pricelist myself, and also still have a copy of it somewhere. Unfortunately these days, it's way off the mark. Sure exactly how accurate it was at the time of writing, but I've not myself seen an official RRP that low on those subs.

The prices on the Vanadium 12 was actually closer to the $800 mark last time I checked give or take, but I cant confirm an exact price. For that you'd best contact Mobile Fidelity (the official australian distributer) or one of their authorised retailers.

$800 sounds like a lot of money I know, but in my own personal opinion, it's worth every cent.

I know what you mean.... My PHD's RRP is quite a bit more then that still.....

boasting are we? hehe
note matt had it in plural form...in real life the phd subs look like absolute sex

Yeah, sorry bout the boast.... I didnt mean it in plural form, I meant singular. Got the dash in the wrong spot....

Ive been really keen to hear the Rainbow Vanadium and Profi's for a while, but not willing to downgrade on a whim. They have to be better then my little kittens (which would be hard) for me to consider upgrading. Someone in WA needs to get their ar$es into gear so I can listen to one.....

Problem is, Ive read quite a bit on the Rainbows, but almost nothing on the PHD's, so its hard to compare. I dont want to spend that sort of money to find out that the previous ones were better....

do u think so? i thought the difference was night and day between the vanadium and the profi vanadiums. even tho they both have the same basket, the cones are different. i found that the profi's were incredibly detailed, and much more natural sounding than the vanadiums. but im only comparing the 4inch mid.

i cant remember what the vanadium tweets sounded like.

Sounds like you enjoyed the profi mids more then the Vanadiums....if so, then why go with the Vanadiums? The profi's are cheaper...??

sry, i must be backwards. i meand the profi vandiums over the profi's.

dont know why but i had it in my mind that the lower pair were called vanadiums and the better pair were called the profi vanadium. what i was referring to as vanadiums were in fact profis.

my bad

George and I did a literally back to back comparison in his car with his Vanadium kicks, and my Profi Phase Plugs.

Same car, same amps, same head unit, same location, same sized drivers, same crossovers (they are the same from the factory). I.e. only the drivers changed.

Originall we installed the profi on one side and vanadium on the other. Ballanced from left to right multipel times on several songs, and they are so close it's scary.

There is a very (very) slight improvement in top end sparkle in the vanadiums, wheras the Profis tend to drop off in top end detail a little sooner. On the other hand, the profi's in my opinion tended to sound a tad smoother and more natural.

As expected, the Vanadium's had a touch more midbass kick in them (as they were kickbass models), while the Profi's played a little lower more comfortably, and had slightly more outright detail in the midrange (probably due to the phase plugs).

We both unanimously aggreed that the difference was very, very , very small in all respects, and i'd say very few people would pick the different without a back to back comparison.

I actually noticed more difference in tonal ballance going from Audison SRx to Vibe Blackbox to ARC XXK amp then i did between those two speakers.

The slight tonal difference I put down to the metal vs silk dome tweeters, and the midbass / midrange performance down to the kickbass / phase plug characteristics, respectively.

If it were Vanadium Phase Plugs vs Profi Phase Plugs, I'd have no doubt the difference woud be even smaller.

Perhaps in your instance the difference came down to ranging speaker sizes, or variation in installation? When I compared my Profi's in my car to the Vanadiums in his, the diffrence was clearly noticable, but when both were put in the same place, in the same car, they really were stunningly similar.

In fact, there is more difference in tonality between the Power and Profi then there is between the Vanadium and Profi (Power having a very different, smoother, more refined style of sound, but at the sacrifice of some midrange for the big 7 incher).



I'd love to hear the PHD's as well. In fact I'd like to hear any nice sub out there

Do you have a link to a website or anything where I can see the little beasts that are getting all of this attention?

sry, i was talking purely the 4 inch mids only. the CS210 231526 and the CS210 231502. one has a shiny metal cone, whilst the other has a matt black cone. the only difference was the material and shapes of the cones. very significant difference IMO.

ur comparing the 6.5inch mids i think pete

the only 4inch drivers rainbow make are the two varities of MR100 and two varities of the CS210's. then u have the 4 inch drivers from the Dream and Soud lines which im yet to hear. which are different to the MR100 and SC210's again

So did you mean the CS210 or MR100? I thought you were talking about the Vanadium and Profi (MR100) models.

Then of coruse there is the mighty MR100 Reference !

now im just confusing myself. the CS210 IS the MR100 in profi vanadium form WITH the tweeter. thats the component set i have, that i have paired up the W175. similar to ur sig but with a different tweeter.

so i was comparing the profi vandium MR100 with the profi MR100. like u said

pheeeeew. NOW i think i have it right. so very many model numbers!!!

so how does the scanspeak sound anyway???

i cant see it sounding too bad, as they produce such good drivers on the whole...

www.phd.it, then choose speakers, Aluminium fibre and scroll down. AF10W and AF12W. The 12 strangely enough has a really high Fs, around 47Hz, with the 10 being around 26Hz. The latest version doesnt have red coils either, they're chrome. They follow the piston design (read - audio perfection) that the Phase Linear Aliante made famous.

It takes AGES to break them in. For me, somewhere in the order of two to three months. Once they are done though, accuracy is phenomenal. Listened to Korn on the weekend, and the bass was REALLY poor. My subs were way too accurate, and highlighted all the flaws. So no more Korn....

Lol. Im still interested in this one too, despite the slight off topic.

92dB sensitivity very high on the PHD's. Would probably explain why they go loud enough off moderate power levels. Definately an interesting design.

Also interested in reports on the Scanspeak, keep us all posted!!