Hey guys.

I have two SWR-1222D Type-R 12" Dual Voice Coil Subwoofers (2Ohm + 2Ohm).
I've had them since October last year i think, theyve had maybe 10hours use in an out of spec box so I'm yet to judge how good they sound. (being in a sh!tbox) I know they play loud, which isnt my soul goal.



Okay so my intentions upon purchase was to throw them into seperate sealed boxes of Alpine recommended specs and tune them for SQ. Am I wasting my time? Has anybody heard an SWR-1222D in a sealed enclosure? I've spent a lot of money on my front stage and source so of course i want to follow through with good sub-bass!

If you think theyre great, why?
If you think theyre not so great, why? What subwoofer should i replace them with?

Thanks in advance,
Kirbo

remember sub woofers are air pumps, you can get good and you can get bad. you got good, there is nothing wrong with them provided you got them in the right box "for the car". the specs they give you, think about this, what car are they for?

my 2c

Cheers for the reply.

Both subs will be going into the boot of my Volvo 850 that is shown in my sig.

Buy one good sub instead.

Phil

you might have to tell us what the best sub is in the world then Phil?

wait for it...................

IDMAX? RE XXX?....Fi Audio?????

Venom from Jaycar?????!!!11!!!!!1! Sound4?

F*ck it. THanks for the replies people.
I've decided to answer my own questions by proceeding with the type r's. If I'm not overly happy with them, and friends feel they dont perform highly as SQ subs when auditioned, i'll do something about it.

Kirbo.

Good idea Kirbo .... go with what you've got

Who knows .... you may be pleasently surprised.

Kirbo, most people seem to be infatuated with something that has a reputation about it.

Don't get sucked in by it and buy something to replace the Alpine woofers without getting them in a properly tuned enclosure.

Hey Kirbo,


If your looking at upgrading, I have a friend who is chasing 2x type R's (same model/year as yours), so if your looking at buying a more SQ orientated sub give us a PM and ill get in contact with my mate


ps - keep up the good work with the install!

Go bigger then what Alpine recommends gor for about 1.3-1.35cuft for a good SQ tune, it's probably one of the flatter responses you will get in boxes that big.

Cheers for the advice guys. I'll update my install thread once done.

Vivas

to the super moderator who deleted my post, rather than deleting, why dont you just lock the thread if you dont allow others to help out with the posters question? forum = free speach, but most would doubt it in this forum!

I'm interested to see what advice you have icacha.
Noticed you sig but; please PM if you can.

Not a big fan of the Type-R's myself, but I know plenty of people that are, so they definitely have something going for them.

However, I do question why you are going run two of them instead of just the one?
Even if it's for show, it's easy enough to make a nice centrepiece out of one sub.

You obviously like Alpine gear, you want your SQ and it looks like you like a bit of 'loud' too.
So if you just stuck with one sub, you could offload the Type-R's and buy one SWX-1042D?

I don't think anyone could argue that this wouldn't sound MUCH better (given proper installation etc.)
That sub, of course, is only one of many good options.

That is solid advice Selfdestruktor. Cheers for that.

Well originally when i purchased two 1222d's it was for show & volume on a medium budget. But over time i've expanded my budget and sensability to... do it right now without going overboard.

Gee this thread has made me think about a tonne of things i have recently overlooked.

One good 12 in a ported box or a symetrical install with my two R's?
Lemmy think.

Cheers.

Don't think, just listen.

The sub I mentioned was actually the 10" Type-X.
The reason for this is because it will still murder the two Type-R's in every way (including looks, i'm sure everyone can agree there too), without the additional $100 for the 12".
But sure, if you want/can, the 12" is a good option too.

Hopefully a real SQ junkie with more experience with the Type-X's can clarify whether you really need the 12".
The specs say that it will play slightly lower, but with that difference be noticeable and is that really worth the extra cash? (and a little more space, I guess).

Audition, audition and audition some more.

Oh, and in terms of a showy/symmetrical install, I personally get way more excited when I see a single sub in a simple, well executed install and sounding magnificent, than two or more that may be looking hot, but sound mediocre.

Less is more?

(I feel a little nervous here in the SQ section, time to go )

Kirbo,

Definately run with the 2 subs you have. Ian Kerr's Honda and Kate's Mirage both ran a pair of type R subs and were very successful in SQ competition.

And just between you and me, they put out a really nice sound and did a bit of db dragging as well. From memory i think Kate went up into 139's with hers....

Wood

Okay i've taken it all in. I'm going to use my alpine subs. Once the subs and enclosure have been fine-tuned i'll audition them to a few in the CAAWA scene. From there a thread will be made in "Product Reviews & Opinions:

Cheers everybody for your input.
Kirbo.

in sealed boxes of 1.0~1.2cuft nett each, these subs sound great. and with enough power - like the M1005 will provide - they will hit very, very hard, no probs.

if you prefer the sound of lazy, effortless, deep subbass, go with a ported box for each sub. you'll need to carefully tune the amp and EQ on the HU to avoid subbass that outdoofs the fronts; not hard to do with some time and careful work.

I'll happily argue that, for starters the X's don't do midbass, their high MMS has them rolling of by 60hz, there's just no high energy kick, the R's have no problem here,in the X's defence they don't sound bad trying to do midbass like some subs do, they just don't do it.

For pure SQ (comp SQ not street beating sq) I'd take type-S in well damped sealed over type-x in any config.

Who wants subs to replay midbass? I'm guessing your front stage is lacking! I want subs for 60hz and down nothing more really.

I think you need to listen to some well built and designed enclosures that suit the vehicle they are in, I'm sure you will find that after you do, your comment about the Type S will be debunked.

agreed there! problem i got is im not sure my 6.5" mids will go down to 60hz so im thinking of adding an 8" up front somewhere...dont know where/when or how but its something definately on the cards...especially since there is a rather large gap between 6.5" to 15" out back

and type X over type S anyday..a flagship woofer from the same company *should* always out perform base model in ALL aspects

if you were interested in dropping down a size and going 10" subs instead, you could easily go the R type for a more responsive and punchy bass.. however for sq in my opinion the r type 12 even fine turn can be droany...other option could be a set of focal subs for sq..?