what happened to all the tech talk that used to be in here? people discussing and learning about techniques and tips about SQ and how to improve? now it's all just should i get brand a or brand b?



anyone wanna post up some intresting new idea's, things people are doing OS?

lets improve our knowlage of car audio!

id like to help... but im a noob and know jack crap... and have only had about six months of experience in this scene..

so i cant really post any outrageous new ideas...

im not even quite sure of how to achieve some nice sq in my car yet haha...

I'm upgrading the DAC and op amps in my PXA..

I think as the season goes on, people start to ask "how can I improve my system" when they get feedback from comps.

I often lurk around Scott Buwalda's forum and found out that some of them swore by IB setup. If i'm not mistaken Scott himself use IB setup in his car. Quite a few topics raised about IB. Maybe it's something we should 'visit' sometimes.

Fudd, have a look down the topic list of the SQ forum.

About one third of it is actual decent SQ talk. The rest (almost all of it, "best xxx for $yyy" or "xxx vs yyy") could more than easily be moved to General/Beginners.

Granted, its newbies more than anyone else, but still...

I vote to move the O/T out of SQ forum.

Maybe have an "Advanced SQ Discussion" section - for me that would entice more Advanced discussion topics.

90% of threads in here could put easily put in general discussion or beginners...

Perhaps stricter guidelines on what topics (and posts) should be accepted in this forum?

XXX vs YYY for $$$ generally doesnt belong here....

+1

For the Advanced Sound Quality sub-forum, I think thats a great idea.

I never used to come to this section because i had no idea what people were talking about......leading me to believe i had recently gotten smarter. But no, turns out the quality of the SQ section went down.

maybe there could be a brand disussion forum just for the xxx vs yyy or what for how much $$$.

As some of you already know im living in Ireland at the moment and been checking out the IASCA/EMMA scene over here.

Two things that i have found intersting, is the fact that most of the top cars have the mids and tweets on the dash/A pillars, and midbass in the doors. Very few people use kick installs.

The other one is that IB is very popular. Apparently IDMAX's sound best in IB. Heres a build up of 1 fellas IB set up

http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=172183

Or was i supposed to start a new thread for these topics

I think the problem is people don't read the stickies. People post things which should be in gereral or beginner in here assuming that "better sounding" than oem is what the SQ section is for.
I never look in the SPL section, but do people post questions about systems louder than oem (but still at daily driver level)?

IB???

I must have my dumb hat on. Can someone tell me what IB is....??

Wood

jus in case ur not stirring, ib is infinte baffle

Aaahhh.... I wasnt stirring actually. Genuinely had NFI. Why would IB be popular??? I thought subs sounded like ass when they were configured like that....

Wood

I'm a member of lots of different forums and I can tell you with almost absolute certainty, creating the proposed subforum won't work.

Why?

Because a lot of beginners quite often over estimate the 'level' of their problem/discussion and you will continue to see invasion of beginner type topics into the more specialised sections, such as 'Advanced SQ'.

The only way to combat this would to have the forum read-only to beginners, but I guess that would put off the people who are new to CAA but old hat to SQ.

If this makes sense.....

Another forum I use has an off topic section, that kinda got over loaded, they tried to create a subforum to seperate 'off topic' from 'absolute poo', but it didn't work.

I think it would work if someone kept an eye on what went in there

Depends on the sub really, some DLS sub is great for IB, JL as well (they don't make one anymore), IDQ is suppose to be good along with the MAX.
What i've heard in regard the IB setup is you have somewhat a flat response for the low frequency, correct me if i'm wrong but i've just take interest on the topic and just started reading them.

All you really need is a Mod to oversee, and move posts at their whim....

Happens in the other forums...

IB kicks ass. Sensitivity is generally down though.

I'm following a thread on another forum at the moment - differences between IB, AP, and critically damped BR...

it's all about controlling Z rise at Fb

link please

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread....mp;pagenumber=1

champ, thats mate.

The SQ forum should have the same limitations put on it as the For Sale section - all threads need to be okayed by a mod before being posted. If not, they can be moved to the appropriate forum. Of course, allowing for resource capabilities.

Leigh

Can this board have "forum champions" where some people are able to moderate in certain subforums only.... as per above suggestion, people with good SQ knowledge can moderate the SQ forum... likewise for SPL, etc...

granted Simon... you just received mod powers in this specific forum

WOW! look at all those extra buttons
Cheers Marc

Im of the opinion that having Pulse-R moderate this sub forum COULD be a good thing.

Looking forward to seeing what you do with this new found POWER. lol.

A step in the right direction maybe?

A BIG maybe... power does funny things to people..

well, mostly I think I'll just be "Please closing this thread" and moving off-topic to other places....

Is there an etiquette for moderators' behaviour?

Don't really know, but I suppose if Marc has entrusted you with Mod responsibilities, it's for a good reason.
I think the etiquette side of things is up to your own personal beliefs of what is socially acceptable and the stance of CAA in relation to the rules for posting here.

You read my mind.

Another thought I had was regarding the forum description.
Does it really adequately describe the kind of topics that should be in this forum?
It looks a little 'light on' to me.

Then again, i'm not creative enough (i.e. dumb) to come up with something better

Sound Quality is broad enough - make it TOO specific, and there won't be enough posts in here for me to moderate.. hahahahah

haha that was what i was just thinking pulse-r

I would have thought a better description would get more of the desired topics in here and less of the others, hopefully increasing posts, not decreasing.

Some more descriptive words / sentence may help the brand vs. brand problem that Fudd mentioned in the first post.
"Getting the best sound out of your equipment", "getting the most out of your money", "identifying quality equipment", "tuning", "staging", etc. and similar, come to mind.

Meh, I dunno, I just look at the descriptions for the other forums and mostly see them in plain black & white, but the SQ forum.......

I'm sure i'm making myself as clear as mud, as usual

I'd have to agree on that.

"What should I buy" is not really SQ discussion imo - I'd consider that more general.

I'd see SQ disussion as more of "active vs passive", "sealed vs ported", "pros and cons of different speaker locations" - that type of stuff.

I know I haven't been more active in this section, mainly because:

1) I'm still pretty modest about my knowledge / experience levels
2) I'm busy as stuff with work, and with study coming back around

SQ discussion will stagnate if people dont' actively contribute enough.

there is also only so much that can be talked about before repetition and personal opinion sets in and starts sending posts to the search function

Jeff/Werewolf does it nicely on ECA and more recently on DIYMobile.. draws out the topics and conversations a bit more.. but overall, if you get too elitist about what you allow in this SQ area then it will die..

take my SPL loading wall experiment that i did: Set out some loose parameters, collected and collated the appropriate data, spent time on the net typing it all out and developing logical flow and then people dont' ask more pertinant q's.

Its the same with SQ.. you need to actively conversate without piling a lot of info into the conversation and dousing the potential.. otherwise dead ducks in the water.. Abmolech does it on the SQNZ forums.. provides info that supports only his arguement and unfortunately is not totally objective in his supply of information

watch out kids.. you could turn this into the pissing pool..



and this stuff hasn't been discussed extensively around the world before?? = repetition of information and onset of personal opinion interfering with objectivity in conversation..

i'm going to be pessimistic about this attitude towards noobs asking q's in this area.. BUT unless they keep asking SQ benefits of equipment and what to try to achieve etc then the number of topics in this area will diminish and you will be looking at a dead zone.

What is still left for discussion is things like implementation of new driver and/or processor technologies, and ideas about un-conventional approaches to various aspects of car audio.

I know I'd love to have more time to try different things with speaker locations, and staging techniques, but what it comes down to is "get it working now, improve it later". Perhaps some people with a lot of spare time could try stuff, and report on their observations.....

Classic example being yourself upgrading your H701. Exactly the kind of thing to be in SQ, towards the advanced end of it, I would think.

when i finally have a stereo after 2 long years. i will input some of my findings as i progress i hope to teh top! in the 07 season.

The question is, why would you want/need to do that?

Also remember that with a sealed enclosure, a lower Qtc (ie, more damping) results in a taller/narrower impedance peak.

The reality is that if the amplifier can handle the impedance load, then you don't really need to control it.

Thats a good point to raise
When I first started on this forum (under a different username) I posted a question in the SQ forum then realised its probably more general and posted it there as well. Everone jumped on me (not necessarily moderators) and I felt like I'd broken one of the Ten Comandments

One of the people that chastised me had big red letters in his sig which didn't help and I've also seen other beginners make mistakes and get treated kind-of severely. So Yeah I think a few kind words wouldn't go astray

Also:
I think there are already too many sub-forums here but if you were to split one of them up why not the General Discussion? Then maybe you'd get less unwanted posts in the SQ Discussion.

The trouble is though, where does it end?

Where does it end???

Here...

http://www.mythologic.net/end.html

Any further discussion of IB/AP/BR should now be taken in the relevant thread thankyou

here: http://www.caraudioaustralia.com/forums/in...showtopic=78847

Never thought I'd say this, but I'd read a thread about Zion trying to do a D'Appolito configuration in his car

MTM is a popular configuration in home systems. don't know if it works in near field though.

Ive noticed that too...I fairly new, but you probaly noticed my posts poppin up everywhere, and ive probably read anything and everything that slightly interests me...

it seems to me that a few of the senior posters come across rather arrogantly(not a stab , as sometimes it is very hard to convey properly over the net), and are quick to tell noobs about post etiquette when they stuff up... I honestly think NO-ONE reads the forum guidelines when they first come onto the forum. Thats because they are usually looking for info or advice and the simplest and fastest way is to post up a question.

I honestly dont know how to resolve this issue as a forum will always have noobs posting in the wrong sections. And i can see from a senior members point of view the amount of idiotic/non-searched posts that occur frequently..how annoying they can be. and why they come down so hard on noobs...but it will always happen i think...

one suggestion.. maybe have a pop-up window or re-direct screen for noobs for their first 20 posts or something that links to forum guidelines/search function before they actually post.
BIG RED LETTERS that state to search first/post second. with public forum humiliation to follow should they disregard the message. At least it is a warning of what will happen
i dunno im sure this has probably been discussed a few times over the years too so we'll leave it up to moderators and such. Sorry for slight off topic but it affects all sub-forums really.
I dont think an advanced SQ forum wont really take off either, IMO, i think its best how it is... just need to figure out how to keep noobs in check..

I dont think an Advanced SQ forum is really needed. Just toss the garbage in here at the moment into the General discussion forum, and proceed with real SQ topics like the mono reproduction thread and the AP/IB thread just started.

Will finally enable some of us to learn some thing new, and move beyond the 'which speaker is better' phase.

Well done there Pulse-R

iTim used an MTM setup in a CAASQ comp last year

how did he go with it Fudd?

also, on the topic of noob/ OT posts, another forum I'm on has a little check box on the 'new thread' page, it just says "I have searched" and must be checked to allow a post to be submitted - a lot like the ones below the Fast Reply box on here.

there's also a search button and a search parameter box just above the check boxes, for those who can't find the one at the top of every page.

The trouble with searching is half the time the heading doesn't really match the topic and the other half go off the original topic for pages and pages. So you read ten or twenty pages and get no-where, taking hours of your life away (lol)

More control is needed on what people waffle-on about and with Pulse-R having these new powers maybe it will solve that problem.

cheers