Ok i been thinking about my old setup in my magna. It was my Eclipse deck to some Blaupunkt amp it was like 320wrms if I remember ok. Big solid OLD blaupunkt amp. And I had a 15" Orion Cobalt in there and the thing was loud, but nowhere near the volume of my two 15" soundstreams, or even one for that matter, running the same wattage and being listed as the same wattage sub (400wrms).

However the pressure in the cab of the magna was WAY more then one of my soundstreams, and perhaps even two. It could be me, but im pretty uneducated on the subject of how woofers work, and was always raised with a "look for rockford fosgate/orion/kicker/ etc old school equipment and find the biggest rms rating"

Anyway, in my Magna my hair would feel like someone was blowing on it, whereas in the festiva with the two soundstreams its REALLY LOUD... but the air pressure dont feel the same.

What EXACTLY is SPL measurement? Its in dB's, so I thought it would be volume, but then its sound pressure levels? Ugh... time for late night elightenment.

Regards
Nathan

depends on what frequncy its playing

i remember BlackIce saying that when his festiva peaked at 149dB at like 40 odd Hz, sh1t was blowing round everywhere, everything was rattling, shaking all about,
when he peaked 2dB louder but at 60odd Hz, all there was was a buzz. no huge vibrating or anything.

lower freqs move more air.

so check teh lowpass filter/subsonic filter on teh amps/hu

Just was thinking about old systems.

Ill be trying to sell my 1995 Festiva tommorrow for like $1000. I paid double that, 1.3L EFi, 5 Speed, Icy Air cond... bubble shape festiva, two door, metallic silver, good tyres, just paid rego. I might even advertise it here. Its a piece of crap but its a good runaround. Anyway I will be getting a VR Commodore for a grand, when I got a grand... and im prepared to swap my car for it basically, and there is no way id take a commodore to an SPL comp, unless it was in Extreme category.

I see people winning Street A classes in west australian sound offs with under 140db... and motorvation with 139.something and have been talking with people about setting the festiva up for two 9910's and just targetting Street A. What Im thinking of doing is keeping the commo as my daily driver, buy an unregistered little two door box machine like a subaru sherpa or something like that, and go get a $5g loan for a sub and amp(s) to power it. Working off that theory basically I can buy two 10's (JBL W10GTi's or something 'cheap' thats nice in that category) for Street A or one 15" sub for Street B (Hifonics XX3215 v 9915?) and get a few thousand watts rms of amplifiers and push crazy amounts in the small cabin space and win every comp?

Why are the numbers so low? I see people running crappy subs in comps and getting right up there. Is there no competition, or is it just everyone is running big four door sedans and arent fully really 100% crazy into it?



So it hasnt to do with volume then? I mean... its more air pressure, the more movement of air in a car = more SPL?

SPL isn't as easy as

hatch + big woofer + big power = SPL

Once you get your new gear, take a look at what your first runs do, it'll take a lot of practice and testing to get your numbers up.

JBL GTi's aint cheap.. they're $1000 a piece ! I think you're thinking GTO.

And yes, when I burped the car at 41hz you could see dust blowing off the ground around it and the whole thing flapped like a giant blue bird trying to take off. Davinchy has had similar experiences in his Camry wagon and the SoundStream T4's.

Wasnt anywhere near as exciting to watch hitting 153 @ 66hz, or interesting to hear. Just a high pitched squeel from the front bar rubbing on the sheet metal..

There was a movie running around of the Festiva burping 41hz and the hatch popping out 1".. I think its on Realm of Excursion still.

That there is Steve, Or on my Photobucket I love this vid http://s14.photobucket.com/albums/a323/mr_...t=jblw15gti.flv

wtf @ sonnysknee

Damn, that's some serious flex-action. *adds to list of things to aspire to*

lol. Ahh my knee. Thats what happens when you come off a dirt bike in the mud and hit a rock with your knee. Oh and it HURTS lol anyway back to the topic at hand

SPL=Sound Power Level, measured in Db.

I always thought it was sound pressure level, but I have been corrected recently..

just remember target street A if you are really wanting to target street A your up against a CRX that does 151's in street A.
now that in mind it runs 2 9910's and 2 Z1's and the CRX those 3 items are the besst street A combination your are going to find in australia and prob the world as thats what the WR holder i think basically is using that same set-up for street A. correct me if im wrong.

but will say it is having a go that counts but only said what i said above so that in the end ya dont end up shattered going dam why didnt i get that record if thats what your going to be chasing. but good luck with it all and hope ya get up there in the numbers.

cheers billy

I think he is semi on the right track...


9910's and Z1's in MOST small hatchbacks/cars (like a CRX) will allow you to get high numbers...but as Charger pointed out, gear isn't everything

Who is running with this car and gear? I must have missed something

Oh and Just Like Music if it's the Hifonics 3512 on eBay the woofer your talking about i probably wouldn't buy off eBay. Too many fakes and no warranty, better off buying from a dealer

Thats the one Dutchy, but I can go there and pick it up while im on holiday over east, and if any warranty problems arise I can just use post or fly over. Always looking for an excuse to go see the family over there.

10" GTi's $600, RRP $1k

It is sound pressure level.
"sound" is the pressurisation and rarefaction of the air, at a given frequency - so the push and the suck together make "sound".

it's also equivalent to air velocity over time

so the same actual physical change in pressure, but at a higher frequency, will give a higher SPL reading, because there is more physical "Sound" pressure (not static pressure).

Not something you want to buy if planning an assault in any class below Street Max.......






There is just not alot of serious competitors to push the numbers in Oz up.....we have some cars in Oz that aren't that far off world pace, but it's expensive and very time consuming and alot of people aren't in a position to get real deep into it.

Either way....have a really good go, you are clearly determined to win......thats the 1st step, everything else will snowball from there......but remember to have fun along the way.

I think most people in street divisions are people that have a system for themselves...and just enter comps for fun. It is very expensive to get to the higher end and i think it is rather naive of anyone to think that having the best gear will win you comps straight away, even if the current competition isnt putting out huge numbers...there is soo much more to setup a good LOUD system and i think the equipment itself is really only half the cost...install costs,wiring, sound deadening, battery, box design etc and testing and tuning... i truly think you've underestimated what it takes to be a serious competitor but its good to see your keen on getting into it..i think you should go thru the tutorials and read up first, then look at what the kind of setups the top cars run to re-evaluate how much it will really cost. and dont even look at ebay for pricing. Look up the retail price for everything, and you can usually bargain down a fair bit... wait for big sales etc...

and lastly why would you want to go to a commodore if you wanna be serious about SPL? the festiva has a big advantage already...you will only have to spend more $$ to get the commodore on the same level as the festiva. unless you HAVE to get the commodore for family reasons or what not, id stick with the festiva, or get something even smaller.

anyway...i'll catcha on the SPL circuit

The markets are bigger OS too, so a lot more shops and factories are into it, building their own cars or sponsoring mad keen competitors to get in the lanes and get exposure/advertising.

We've got some damned loud cars here.. a few cars here (Sydney) are pushing into the 150s soon in Street A. Street B has a few 150+ cars.. but our markets bigger and we've got more comps courtesy of Doran's and the AutoSalon's than anywhere else. That makes a $6000 SPL system a bit more justifiable 'cos we get more use out of it.

That said, most SPL systems double as a daily driver, which means compromises, which means lower numbers.

Speaking of which, I miss owning a 153dB daily driver

more distributors here should just go out and pimp someones stereo...it will be probably be a bit of a loss but it should bring a touch more exposure to the scene...i know the aussie market is quite small compared to OS but it wont get much bigger unless the big companies step in and help once in a while...

that said, if anyone wants to sponsor me feel free to shoot me a PM
i can show you what i have to offer as a possible rolling cranking advertisement...

Won anything impressive ? Held any records ? Got a car that really turns heads and has the potential to win at AutoSalon or SummerNats as a show car ?

If you answered no to all these, I dont like your chances.

thats why i need the sponsorship haha so i CAN win...only just got the car so it hasnt entered any comps/shows but it will...
how well it does is yet to be seen but my current system is not a dedicated SPL system...im not made of money unfortunately

You need to show a potential competitor that you are willing to travel the K's to get to as many comps as you can. You need to have an instantly recognisable car by competitors BUT one that turns the heads of people not even in the scene. You need to pull consistant high numbers and on top of that you need to be the kind of person who is going to be a good sales person for a product and someone who is easily approchable and who can persuade people to buy a particular product - both by results and so that you can be part of the "brand" group.

i would definately go to most of the WA shows...most are metro area with the odd few an hour or so away..
if i was sponsored then id consider taking the car interstate too. provided it had a setup good enough to compete with the boyz over there.
I reckon im an easy going, friendly person and i'm in customer service so dealing with people is not a problem.
car is a bit of a head turner stock...system will turn the heads not already facing me

End of the day we r in WA, The last place on earth that sumone would wanna sponsor. Considing we are the most isolated city in the world

Plus there are already a hand full of proven cars over here (tunemans colt, Pigphamas Piglet, Kalspl St A, Miss 626 St C, Marchis Civic). Why would a sponsor choose urself over sumone that has a proven Track record.

But then again why would a sponsor choose one of our loud cars, when there is louder cars in the eastern states. The eastern State cars can get to more shows which equals more exspore

just my 2 cents worth, not trying to upset anyone

ps sorry about the bad spelling and grammer

^ I agree. Unfortunately for you guys WA doesnt really lend its self to sponsorship. Prehaps if a distributor was sponsoring a car in every state then maybe. But as suggested there are loud(ish ) cars over there that have proven records and consistant numbers - with a lot of hard work sweat blood money and tears having gone into them - these are the cars that will get sponsors if any. Not some one who thinks they have what it takes unfortunately. My advice - get out there. research a LOT. play with cheap gear for a bit and workout techniques for getting loud - then invest in good quality gear and get really loud - loud enough to hold your own in the eastern states - then and only then you might get looked at by a sponsor

id assume if you get sponsorship a lot of the gear will get changed around so who cares what your getting atm...it will be rebuilt for whatever purpose...its not like i think i deserve it more than anyone else...im just saying that they should deck out ANY car that they think will help promote them. so at the end of the day its a full rebuild...u can start from scratch even....dont see why it has to be a proven competitor? if the sponsor/car owner is serious about it then it will be built to be competitve.. just my opinion

Not how it works. If that was the case they would have "factory teams" like in motor sport. In some countries yeah they do that - not in australia. And those cars belong to the company - not to an end user.

good point...why give it away when they can keep it inhouse.
im not fussed anyway...ive got a brand spankin new system and im not keen on gettin rid of it anytime soon. barely had time to enjoy it

Well why would a potential sponsor give someone gear with no track record and nothing special about their car ? $x worth of product from a deal is $x worth of ad's that arent run in magazines, on TV, the radio, etc and they need to KNOW they will get a return on it. Gotta prove yourself before anyone will help you.

Any company can just go buy their own standard car and build it themselves, or send it to a shop and get it done.. Great example was the Cadence Excel, owned, built and operated by Cadence.
Why would Cadence have taken it out of house and give it to someone with no track record, who isnt in the game, and hoped for the best ? They have their own techs do it because they know they'll get results. They're pro's, you arent.

Not to mention a simple fact is, a lot of people get good gear and cant make it perform. I've seen a lot of cars with a lot of equipment that should do a lot more than they are doing.

Obviously you've got no concept of corporate mentality, and that wont help you either.

Mmmm the Cadence Excel - What happened to that car BTW? F_UCK that car was loud

That was Scott and Beck's Excel. Scott left Cadence and went to work for Alpine US.

I didnt realise Scott owned that - Hey have you seen Scott on the build up pics of the Alpine demo car

i understand the whole sponsorship/corporate thing where they want a decent return from someone with a proven track record....but when someone is pumping out constant big numbers with the gear they paid for with their own hard earned....what do they gain by some big company jumping on board?

sponsorship looks attractive to people who arent there and havent done the hard yards...."oohh look free gear" but if i was someone who has been there and done that and then a company comes up and says "you are doing good stuff we want to get behind you cos you're car would be great for advertising" - what would i get out of it - not much

its sort of a catch 22 and you need to be there and have done that to get your foot in the door....but then its not like you need it as much as some new dude who would love to have a few Z1's but only gets by week to week

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to that TRD.... guy - what do you drive out of interest?

Better Prices.......how much better? Depends on how loud you are and who you are dealing with.

A chance to actually win rather than continue "pumping out constant big numbers"



No one gets free gear as such, just good deals.



Example....you are doing really good numbers (read OZ Records) using say Pioneer, then old mate DD Phil says if you switch to DD subs and amps I'll give you XX% discount

What do you get out of it?

a) Opportunity to use a product that is known for its SPL prowess worldwide.

b) Really good prices.

c) Pretty good chance to get louder again.

their products will cost them next to nix...and they will probably STILL make a tiny margin even when sponsoring someone. Ads costs a LOT more.... and that is for a single ad...a sponsored car will be a rolling advertisement for at least a year...pretty damn cheap advertising to me...
lemme break it down for ya with your $x worth of products....
Cost to company for a full system? None, they will make a few dollars still no doubt.
how much does a single page advert in the newspaper cost? 5K plus......

a sponsored car doesnt even have to be the LOUDEST...it just has to be seen
being the LOUDEST would be a bonus, but there are different markets within car audio...ie SQ or SPL and even WANK factor car audio (pretty stuff which may or may not be any good)

i dont claim to have any concept of corporate mentality...but you my friend have no idea about marketing, which is the whole concept behind sponsoring...

An advertisement in a magazine doesnt cost $5k for a single issue. If it did the manufacturers would be producing their own magazines instead!

I dont see ANY manufacturer who produces car audio only who advertises in the paper.

I know people who have sponsorship and as Michae1 said they dont get it for free. This isnt just in the car audio scene. My mates who were sponsored by Kawasaki and Yamaha for motorcross used to get their bikes for free at the start of the year but they had to either rebuild them themselves or pay to have them rebuilt every second race meet and then at the end of the season they had to sell them and give the money they got for the bikes to the manufacturer who would then give them the next seasons bike.

They didnt get sponsorship until they were in the top 10 in the country and didnt get full sponsorship (as above) until they were ranked 1 & 2 in the country and in the top 10 in the Asia pacific region. On top of this they had to pay their own way to Indonesia, New Zealand and Germany. They got reimbursed these costs if they placed...

Sponsorship isnt easy to get and is hard to keep once you do have it. It costs you a lot personally as well.

TRD I think you will find that these guys (BlackIce & Michae1 especially) know what it takes to get sponsored and have more than a clue about marketting. You dont have any concept at all about what sponsorship actually entails yet your telling people who have been in and around this sport since before you were a twinkle in your fathers eye and who have been or are sponsored.

Please grow up - think about what your saying. You dont even know who the distributors are. A lot of us know who the distributors are and regard them as freinds. We know whats involved and know their reasoning behind doing what they do.

Think what "brand" cars do you know?
I'd suggest you would know of the Pioneer Truck and the Cadance Ambulance...
It takes a lot to turn heads. $$$ drives most sales.

Last time I spoke to Scott he was in the US.. and the Excel was quitely rotting away in the back of a shed somewhere at the Cadence warehouse.

He also did a stint at Alpine Australia and was responsible for that insane Type X ute.

didnt i say that the end user still pays? the company will be giving them heavily discounted products....and can you truly say that theyre not still making money from it? so at the end of the day the end user gets a large discount to be sponsored... they still end up paying a huge amount to be a sponsored car. again whats the cost to the company?

it is largely different to REAL sponsorship where lots of COMPANY dollars are given to a team/event in return for their name being visible anywhere and everywhere....

the things you said are not the same things i am saying... your putting words in my mouth...READ what i posted
I am grown up... i am posting my view on the matter, not trying to turn it into a sh!t slinging match like some...
there really isnt any need to put people down for having their opinion

Why are we even arguing ? If people cant comprehend how sponsorship works, or what companies expect, then the chances of them getting a deal is zero anyways so its a moot point.

Oh and TRD.. before telling me I dont know what it takes to get sponsored or to keep a sponsor happy just remember I was sponsored by Harmon Karden, JBL and Monster Cables for three years.. now Michae1 and I both get support from DD, and incase you didnt notice we're both at the top of the game and were there before we got support.

Just to follow up some points Komodo made:
- This year marks my 5th year in dB Drags.
- Out of pocket costs for 2005 season was $9500 for fuel, food, entry fee's, accomodations, vehicle maintainance and installations. Out of my own pocket, no one elses.
- 2006 season saw over 5,000km of travel for dB Drag's alone.

So if ANYONE thinks that a big company with good products will sponsor them, you've got the likes of me out there to compete against for that sponsorship. Lame arguements of "but I'd win if I had gear" dont cut it. Its business, its dollars and its bottom lines, they expect results and no one remembers the guy who came second.

i had already conceded that a page ago

i put this to the car audio sponsorship and REAL sponsorship differing largely...i apologise for my comment


dude i totally respect where you guys are coming from, i dont claim to know more than you guys but im just having my say.....PEACE

I've got the "turns heads" bit down pat lol
As for winning anything impressive does an award for most yellow stickers in a year count ? ha ha ha

a bit of interesting material to know

STREET A
Warren Bulmer - (wazzab) 149.4 dB - Atomic subs and shinieder amps
Tara Allen - 148+ - Atomic subs and amps i think


STREET B
1st: Jason Mueller - Team Nightmare (_Jas_) - 152.3 dB - DD subs DD amps
3rd: Rodney Barabasz (Roddas77) - 152.1 dB
4th: Mark Shields (sheildsy) - 150.8 dB Atomic subs and amps


STREET C
4th: Leo Franke (devinchi) - 148.2 dB Soundstream subs
5th: Margret Oakley - 147.4 db
6th: Warren Bulmer (wazzab) - 147.2 dB

STREET MAX 1-2
Michael1 - 155.9 - DD subs and DD amps
Stephen Pokorra (BlackIce) - 153.6 db - DD subs and JBL amp
Andrew French - 152.6 db


STREET MAX 3-4
Team FX - 156.9 - DD subs and DD amps
Larissa Franke - 152.7 db - DDsubs and crossfire amps
Brad Maddaford - 152.2
Team Shakes Billy (shooku) - 150.1 dB Fusion subs and Fusion amps

SUPER STREET 1-2 NO WALL
2nd: Leo Franke (devinchi) - 148.6 DD subs and cliff design amps
5th:Team Shonky - Dale - 147.5

SUPER STREET 1-2
Team Car Tunes - 160.2 dB DD subs and DD amps
Samuel Mcwaters - 154.5

SUPER STREET 3-4
Team Shakes Billy (shooku) - 152.1 Fusion subs and Fusion amps
Justin Nowland - 149.3 db


these are just some of the scores taken from the SPL aus records section from the 2006 SEASON. and also added just some of the gear their using.

now from the best of my knowedge not one of these cars gets their gear for free. and not one is sponsored by a car audio manufacturer. some of the names are people that are involved in a shop or work as shops but other then that. about 90% of the names listed above bought all their gear themselves.

but yeah people do the hard yards as someone has said they get the best out of their gear. and then they may have someone approach them and say here ya go try this and see if it improves if it does then we will let ya have it at a GOOD PRICE and its yours. or some may even be as bold to say here we want you to put this in your car rebuild the car and you have the gear for free so long as ya advertise and promote our gear there X many comp and we want you to attend X amount of those comps.

but yeah there are people that have heaps of power and heaps of gear and cant get there gear to performe and struggle with their numbers. and other people have little gear or budget gear (and meaning budget subs and amps not like wacking 5kw to pioneer 306's) i mean average subs and average amps and they are playing against big set-ups and keeping up with them or not far behind. there are people like that also.

BUT POINT OF THE RANT HERE IM MAKING IS THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE RIDE YA ALWAYS SPEND MONEY IN THE END

cheers billy

Everyone on that list paid/pays for their gear. its just how much that differs from one to the other.

Even then, its still not cheap and as highlighted by Blackice, the gear is actually the cheap part, its the costs of maintaining that level of competition that gets expensive.

My .02cents. There's no such thing as a free lunch. -- I'm not attacking anyone (TRD) if that's how it comes across.

It's like a friend of mine who wanted sponsorship to get his car tricked out for his own gain. He wrote some letters to mod companies asking for discounted/free coil-overs, rims, intake systems etc etc, and got back replies that basically said "HELL NO!" He was kinda in disbelief and then began to think..

-What do I have that no one else has?
-What can I give in return?
-Why me over someone else?

And came up with the conclusion that he was the only person he knew with a diesel SCCA car. (Sports Car Club of America - set up cones in a big paved area, do timed runs and compete for the best time.) He realized that he couldn't give much in return except exposure, and there was no real reason why he was better than anyone else.

It's kinda like asking for a loan to start a business - You have to write a 5+ page CONTRACT explaining what EXACTLY the money will cover, how you will do it, when you will do it, why you will do it, and EXACTLY when they will be repaid. After this, you have to take some time to sell yourself, be charismatic, friendly, outgoing, and make it clear that you will FIGHT for your place in the business world. Most people don't see business plans as such, but they are basically CONTRACTS. I have basic knowledge of venture startup under my belt, but I don't propose to speak fact. Hope I've added to the discussion!

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--Though I have been told that my analogies suck...

I dont know where its been said that i expected anything free??
Sponsorship in car audio seems to mean...You get a good discount on your gear and nothing else? How that is even called sponsorship im not sure...You pay for your car, pay for the gear,(heavily discounted, but still more than cost i assume) and pay for the install.

So the company gets advertised with YOUR hard earned cash..does that make sense to anyone?

Is competitor pricing better than cost price to the manufacturer? I'll assume NO. So the company is still making money, yet want said competitior to preach the company name to the masses.

what does the competitor get in return?

I personally dont see why they need a proven competitor either. If i was already top of my class, why would i want to spend more money to promote a car audio company?

once again its just my opinion guys, no disrespect to anyone...

because records dont last longer then a year usually and companies are always bringing out bigger and more efficient products. and other then that they like a proven track record person so that they know what the person is like. they dont want to give a person a huge discount on a product if that person is going to give the company a bad name. but yeah other then that bout advertising shops and companies.

but guaranteed if there was an australian car that had a shot at winning worlds or break a world record then the owner of that car wouldnt have to pay to get their car to worlds as thats when companies would jump at the chance to sponser it and get it shipped over to compete.thats bout the only time you will or may get something for free ya freight costs probably. but thats if the car was a almost certain shot to do really well at worlds.

i have fusion stickers all over my car,a huge doran pro audio sticker, and a couple sony stickers.

i use their products i never got a massive discount on the gear really. and as for the dorans sticker i have only ever bought a fuse holder from them. but i know how good dorans are to their customers that i am happy to have a big sticker plastering their business over my car.

but in reality also the amount ofdiscount you get for a product usually depends on how much the company or rep likes you to. thats the reason tis better to have a proven track record when wanting to chasesome form of sponcership or part sponcership.

I am more than happy to promote any company/brand that has supported me in my stereo buildup.

I can kind of see your point about proven competitors, but i feel that a sponsored car would get built professionally so there would be little chance that it would disappoint/look bad on the company.

anyways...i'll just tough it out and compete without having to live up to any expectations besides my own. Sure i'd love a crack at goin higher classes against the pros and aiming for bigger and better things, but im more than happy with what i currently have and i'll compete to have fun, and hopefully be competitive.

This will be dependant on who you get sponsored by, some may only dish out a discount where as others may give you/have access to information not made public, support & information is worth alot.



Again depends on the sponsor and how much they want you to run their gear, I'm sure some companies would let gear go for their cost and less if they are sure enough about the return.



Mmmm.......that's what businesses aim to do....make money.



Naturally they'll want you to promote their product, why would they give you a discount and not expect something in return?

However, I wouldn't use preach to describe it as that's certainly not something I do, promote it, create awareness, tell people how much I enjoy running DD....Yes....try to force them into buying DD, nope I just plant the seed, if they walk away with DD in the backs of their minds I've done my part.



From earlier post in this thread.






Define professionally and why sponsorship would mean that it gets built professionally.

The Civic was our 1st walled car we ever built from the ground up, the entire build was taken one day at a time and was the result of ALOT of time over on Termpro searching and looking at pics/threads relating to any kind of walled cars.

Like Billy mentioned, scores are constantly on the increase, so in order to stay on top you will generally need the best gear & support you can get.

Oh and Billy...... sponcership is actually supposed to look like this >>> SPONSORSHIP, that will also help when you decide to chase sponsors.

If the competitor is not a skilled installer then a car audio shop affiliated with the company would probably get the commission from the company to build the car? maybe at a discounted rate but im not sure...
It looks like most of the guys who get sponsored generally already work in the industry, so install i guess would be taken care of by them/their shop and used to promote the shop as well.

hahahahaha im lazy and a bad at spelling give me a break hahahahaha

I ENGLISH GOOD SPEAK YA KNOW hahahaha

Hey do you reckon cash converters will give me some "SPONSORSHIP" ? lol