Gang, I was just sitting down to plan the next few sound offs and are wondering if people in NSW would rather have them on saturday or sunday?

Saturday is good for me, they are long days so nice to have the day off the following day

yeh, saturdays are good

saturdays, for the same reasons above.

I tend to agree. For the last two years they have been on Sundays and it was such a nice thought last night (after kicking off at five) to know I had today off.

So its settled!!

I vote next time we get the girlfriends to come down and be designated drivers, then hit some drinks up (wild turkeys for Marty, Johnnie Walkers for Jono and Rick (omg illegal) and Beers for the rest

saturday is good aswell.

i dont think i have any/many more exams on saturdays

if possible, try not to make any events/rounds during the period of the 4th-22nd of June

thats wen all my exams are on. haha

Now your thinking!

i prefer saturdays as well. i work both days but im the boss sundays so i get paid more and its harder to get someone to cover for me.

It would be good if my girlfriend could drive manual. or if i would let her behind the wheel of the V8.

But yeah saturdays are good for me. I got soccer on sundays, and wont give that up for anything.

Antony

Ditto. Well except mine is a wife and 4 cylinder respectively...

no women in my life (yet i still have no money!! damn valiant)

and im worried bout my car even when my bro is driving!

I'll put in a vote for sundays... I have footy on Saturday's and it would be hard to do both...

Sorry Anthony but you're the only person thus far that wants Sunday. Not sure what we can do about that (other than bringing the footy team and sound off together)!

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No worries Marty, looks like it'll be a Saturday. I'll just miss a few games, couldn't miss the trials on the weekend though.

I'm another for Sundays.

I study Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday, and work Thursday's, Saturday's and the occasional Sunday..

Thursday's I work casual as a second storeman in the city just to help out, so I can get that off more or less anytime I need to because the full timer takes care of it.

Saturday and Sunday I'm at the Casula store, and those two days are the two busiest day of the week in that store. Sunday I can get off because the full time IT guy is there, but Saturdays I'm in charge of IT so it's a lot tougher to get the day off.. if i'm not there then they have pretty much no one who can sell I.T. (aside from the manager and 2IC, who have other problems to deal with) and so the store depends on me alot.

The manager is a mate of mine, so I can generally get the day off if i really need to..but at the same time because he's my mate I like to be available when he needs me if possible, and at the very least give at least a few weeks notice if i need the day off.

So bascially I can make Saturday's generally if I really need to, but Sunday's are much, much better.

Saturday

I'll make a few this year on sundays then.

Ill try and get my sis to bring down the ol' Supra next comp, promised her a sub for a while, atleast she has some sort of amped frontstage

Though i would be driving from geelong victoria to be at your sound off , i think saturday is the go.Sunday's for most people is even more booked out than saturdays, even though it appears differently.And u guys have the advantage of a couple of degrees better weather through winter/spring so could run a little late in the evening , although 9pm is getting a bit late for a finnish...................cors

that was ur sis! i didnt kno. thanks for listening to my car. i fixed the problem of a wandering stage by actually have the TA switched on for the mids(my mistake)



your silly cors monkey. driving from vic. id love to see you up here tho. old van bad on petrol?





Marty i felt your stage was a little low. I understand ur toying with the idea of A pillar pods. Sub bass was just fantastic, bottom end was solid. I just cant compare it to mine (i have a small box and only a 10") tho on one of the tracks i listened to, there is a very low rumble around 20-30hz it was evident that it was being dragged back towards the boot. tho most sub bass was sounding as if it was coming out ur dash. which was fantastic. also i have to say it was the clearest sound i've heard in a while, just so balanced, but also really gentle. its hard to describe, there was ofcourse nothing harsh but there was no one freq that sort of sung out. or seemed to be lacking. yet vocals were still clear and centred. it was a pretty good feeling. i prefer a "brighter" sound so im looking fowd to listening to it if u ever move mids/tweets into the A pillars. boot also looks fantastic. plexiglass is a work of art.

I've really got to have another listen to that so called 'heap' of yours next time so I can try to pinpoint some flaws for you.

Problem is, I have two CD's worth of tracks that I use for testing. All have some purpose or other, and bring out the good or bad in particular parts of a system. It's a good, well rounded set overall that allows me to pretty much pinpoint every weakness, but it takes quite a lot of listening time to go through them all thoroughly enough and I always feel weird spending 20 mins in someone else's car going through 20 tracks.

Given that time, I can usually pick most weaknesses.

I'm actually thinking now of typing up a definition for each CD.. basically an index that lists all tracks, and describes in a paragraph what they test, and what to listen for.

I'll try to do that when I get home today from uni this afternoon.

Last time I listened to yours, there wasn't really any major drama's, but since then I've heard a few more cars, played more with my own, and familiarised myself more with those tracks, so I'll be able to give a more thorough critical analysis of the car.

Best option for me when giving opinions on a car would be to sit in each car with a clipboard and a few sheets of paper, and then as I go through each track write down descriptions of what areas (if any) are lacking anrd which areas are solid. Perhaps I'll give this method of analysis a shot next time around... Otherwise by the time you have gotten towads the end of the test disks, it's too difficult to remember (with any type of detail) the issues that were present on the ealier tracks.

Yeah still playing with the pillars. I think I will finally settle on that location however there is the issue of the stage being a little narrow (hard to get beyond the mirrors)...



You found a 20Hz to 30Hz rumble that effected the stage? You sure it wasn't a higher frequency? I would have thought (unless the sub was turned up too much) that 20Hz - 30Hz would be too low to effect direction.



It is pretty flat now however there are still two peaks that I know off. I'm sure there are a few more but if a few of us get together for a listen then i'm sure I will be able to find them in time to compete for NSW in the national finals!

Why not give a set of ambients a try? They won't need to be at high volumes - barely audiable in fact. My bro accidentally left his jaycar 4'" coaxials running in his car off the head unit before. They were in the factory location of his 90 Statesman (up on the dash) and at first we didn't even hear they were running - it was too quiet compared to the rest of the car to be audiable.

One day he had his grills off and I could actually see the 4" domes moving and brought it up. He then disabled them, and the sound stage instantly... subtle but defiantely percievable. I got about an extra 10cm or so of stage height, and brought it up from just above dash level up to around ear / eye level.

That was far from the optimal application of ambients, as they were still running full range and playing midbass frequencies as well, but the improvement was definately there. If they are implemented the right way, I doubt they'd bring any negative effect on your main sound stage at all.



I bloody well hope so! NSW is in need of a Halo car or two to lead it through the finals and stick it up those other-state-mans.


As Marty said, that's a touch off... are you defiantely sure the wave was that low? As a general rule, 20hz and even 25hz are generally 'perceived' moreso then actually 'heard' in a car. Even 30hz is towards the weaker side of human hearing, and usually well beyond the point of being audiably directional. In fact, you'd be surprised how few subs actually play down to 20hz (at -3dB or higher) in-car.

Are you sure the wave wasn't more around 60hz-80hz? Many people percieve these frequencies as being lower then they are (as I used to myself) and they are more likely to bring back a stage then the more sub-sonic frequencies of the 20hz region.

I actually would have imagined bass imaging to not be a major issue in the ute, given that the sub is inside the cabin and much further forward then in most cars.

How about making the sound offs the last saturday of each month until the finals?

im up for that

gives us plenty of notice

Sounds good, but i wont be here next month that means. Damn it. Looks like a few people will be able to catch up. Are you sure you dont want to have a month off in say may, by any chance???

ill drive the ute for u Antony

How many rounds will there be??

Sounds ok to me in general because my schedule is pretty easy going for all of May, but the month after that may change if Final exams come up.

I think in general though the worst is over for me now, so yeah should be ok.

Easy Tiger, slowly progress to cars with power

Yeah, you can start with Marty's laser first.

Then when ready you can advance to mine .. but be prepared for the force of 1.8L of pure injected muscleeeezzzzzzzzz!!!

then move on to the SX

last sat of each month is fine with me

Saturdays are preferred by me.

So the 26th is it now?

nope. still the 27th i think...

/*awaits the official thread*/

Sunday sounds good........ Just thinking about all the people who have work commitments on Saturday but still have a passion for car audio.

Many people already competing give up their saturdays to attend comps. Either way different days make it difficult for people.

However general concensus is that Sundays are double time, Saturdays arent